Leon Russell-Delta Lady CD on Del Rack

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  1. Larry Geller

    Larry Geller Surround sound lunatic Thread Starter

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    This is a budget CD from 1991. "Compiled, remixed and mastered for compact disc by STEVE HOFFMAN". "This is the first release of these extra-long versions".
    tracks are:
    Delta Lady-5:00
    Beware Of Darkness-5:40
    Sweet Emily-3:20
    Ballad For A Soldier-5:50
    The Ballad Of Mad Dogs And Englishmen-4:00
    Little Hideaway-3:57
    Dixie Lullaby-3:00
    She Belongs To Me-4:00
    Out In The Woods-3:35
    Leaving Whipporwhill-4:04

    What is the story behind this great release? What the heck was Del Rack? Were there any other "extra-long" releases in this series? How were you able to give full credits for the 1st album tracks when you weren't allowed to do so for the Leon Russell DCC discs (silver or gold)?
    Also, how does the new DVD 96-24 release of the 1st album stack up against the gold disc sound-wise?

    I wish someone would have been able to reissue the 1st LP under it's REAL title--"Can A Blue Man Sing The Whites?" I have a color ad in Circus magazine that showed the same cover with that title, but when it came out, the title was gone & only the corresponding blue cover remained!
     
  2. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Del-Rack was a DCC "budget" line for the rack jobbers (K-Mart, etc.) A repackaging of some higher priced DCC titles. I took advantage of this by actually remastering some things from scratch for Del-Rack. I think I did a Dwight Twilley like this, etc.

    For some reason, I decided that, since the thing was going to be released to rack jobbers only, I could put the actual credits on there. By contract, the "guests" like Ringo, etc. were not supposed to be mentioned by name on the regular release.
     
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  3. Gary

    Gary Nauga Gort! Staff

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    :eek:

    My search list has just been increased!

    :eek:
     
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  4. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Where did the longer versions come from, exactly?

    I'm a tad confused - Ringo (and everyone else) is mentioned in the "This Album Is Dedicated To" section of the Right Stuff reissue, which I believe is a straight reissue of the DCC, other than the lack of some of the bonus tracks (wonder why that is).

    Also...were the Leon CDs remastered for the gold issues? If so, did Right Stuff (Capitol) use the newer masters for their CDs? Ie, what did you give them?
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Sigh. This is all fuzzy, but I believe:

    The Del Rack CD is possibly from the remixes I did.

    The FIRST silver DCC Leon-self titled is from the alt. mixes (rough mixes, second mixes, etc.) and not the Glyn J. mixes. The GOLD version is from the album mixes plus my bonus track remixes including the Mick Jagger with Ringo "Shine A Light" demo.

    Capitol used (I believe) the silver 1630. They never used my Gold version, because I believe it came out well after Capitol started issuing the Shelter stuff.

    Make sense?

    To recap, three different mixes of the first album, the LP mix, the alt. LP mix, and MY mix....
     
  6. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Ok...please elaborate:) These were *only* used on that CD?

    Two things:

    1) Why is it from alt mixes (if it is)?
    2) See below for Right Stuff issues

    The Right Stuff disc has a 1995 date, and I believe the gold disc came out in 1993. Having said that, the artwork *seems* to come from the silver/1989 CD. One note is "Special thanks (1989) to Toi Moritomo of MCA Records and to Leon Russell." Plus I'd assume the silver disc didn't have the additional bonus tracks.

    Having said THAT, the Right Stuff CD ALSO says:

    "Recorded and mixed by Glyn Johns
    Remastered for Compact Disc by Steve Hoffman from the original Shelter Records master mixes."

    and

    "Final mixes by Glyn Johns made at Sunset Sound, Los Angeles, January 17-19, 1970"

    Could it be the *silver* CD uses the original mixes, and the gold CD uses the alt mixes? As above, why were alt mixes used?
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Well, when DCC first got the Shelter catalog, I felt that the actual Glyn Johns mixes were very compressed and lifeless compared to the actual sound of the beautiful Olympic Sound multi-tracks. Bill Wyman's bass was amazing on there.

    So, for the first DCC release, I used the less "stressed" rough mixes I think.

    I remixed the stuff, maybe for the Del Rack and MAYBE for the "Best Of Leon" that DCC did, can't remember which. For the Gold, I used the actual album masters. OR I did TWO versions of the silver, the first with the rough's and the second with the Johns mixes. I CAN'T REMEMBER. I guess I was so mad that DCC sold the stuff to Capitol that I tried to block all memories of this stuff out of my brain.

    We never gave Capitol the Gold mastering, that stayed at the manufacturing plant (where it still is, I guess), so it has to be the silver version, but which one, I don't know.

    I thanked Toi Moritimo of MCA for finding the REST of the Shelter stuff that was still there from the ABC days. The Shelter people didn't even pick it up when they bought the rights. MCA still had a bunch of stuff like "Carney", "Shelter People", etc.

    Reading your post over Luke, I think now that Glyn mixed it TWICE!!!!! Once at Olympic (the less stressed more tuneful mixes that I call rough mixes) and the second time in LA with compression city on the tape. I might have mixed and matched them on the first release, depending on the song.

    Sorry to be so vague, but after DCC sold the stuff to Capitol, I stopped listening to Leon, except for the occasional "Tightrope"..:mad:
     
  8. John Oteri

    John Oteri New Member In Memoriam

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    I noticed "Delta Lady" is different on the regular DCC and the Gold DCC. Are you saying there is a third difference on the BEST OF LEON CD as well? And a fourth difference on the DELRACK release?

    I'm getting a headache.
     
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  9. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Could be, yeah.:angel:
     
  10. BeatleFred

    BeatleFred Senior Member

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    When it comes to Leon Russel- honorable mention goes out to "Back to the Island"- now THATS a great song!
     
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  11. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    I asked Steve Todoroff, THE Leon Russell expert to refresh my memory on the above subject. Here is his response, via email to me earlier tonight:

    Steve,

    I'd be delighted to tell you what I remember. If memory serves me right,
    you remastered the tapes in 1989 and released the silver Leon Russell CD
    in 1990 using what you referred to as the less "stressed" rough mixes.
    The songs titles for this CD were the same as the original LP release
    with the exception of adding a solo version of "Shootout On The
    Plantation" as a bonus track. I agree with your comments though about
    mixing and matching mixes on this CD depending on the song, so you may
    have used other mixes as well.

    In 1990 I attended some of the remastering sessions at your invitation
    on what I believe were considered the "alternate" mixes on the original
    tunes, plus many so-called "rarities" that were not available for the
    original CD release. I believe that these tracks were used for the Del
    Rack and Gold CD releases as you stated in your comments. Apparently
    many of these master tapes revealed alternate takes and/or demo versions
    of many of Leon's original songs, which if I recall excited me greatly.
    You then experimented with the mixes, remixing to reveal some subtle but
    definite differences. Some of these takes also have very different
    mixes. For example, "The Ballad of Mad Dogs and Englishmen" was a solo
    demo version with no strings. "Sweet Emily" was a remix with harmony
    vocals. "Beware of Darkness" was a remix with lead guitar. "Delta Lady"
    was a remix with George Harrison louder. "Dixie Lullaby" was a remix
    with harp. In addition, many of these unreleased "Russell Rarities" made
    their way onto the Gold CD as bonus tracks, remastered in glorious digital. These
    included "The New Sweet Home Chicago", "Jammin' With Eric", "Indian
    Girl" (which if I recall needed editing), and "(Can't Seem To) Get A
    Line On You" ("Shine A Light"). Too bad this CD is out of print. It's a gem. There are
    still many of those unreleased tracks that, to my knowledge, still
    haven't been released yet. I doubt at this point that Capitol/Right
    Stuff will even bother with it.
    The Del Rack CD release was such an unbelievable bargain for what you
    got that it was almost too good to be true. Here's an example of some of
    the differences in the song lengths on this CD versus the original
    silver CD release:

    Song Original Length Length on the
    Del Rack CD
    Delta Lady 4:02
    5:00
    Beware of Darkness 4:40 5:40
    Ballad For A Soldier 4:24 5:50
    She Belongs To Me 3:26
    4:00
    Dixie Lullaby 2:30 3:00

    Longer, alternate takes of Leon's hits, all digitally remastered,
    available for a bargain price. What more could a person ask for?

    Just a side note on Glyn Johns. Leon chased the sound he got on these
    early recordings at Olympic Sound for many years, and actually brought a
    board over from England, the Swetenham board, which was a 16/24 board,
    and brought it to the Church Studio in Tulsa. It had a great sound, but
    part of the key to Johns' success was due in part to how he miked the
    sessions. He was just the MASTER, and he owed a lot of his success to
    the official BBC Engineers Handbook. Just straight out of the book.

    I hope this answers some of your questions and helps you to recall some
    of those sessions.
     
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  12. Dugan

    Dugan Senior Member

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    Mine Too! :D
     
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  13. Henry Love

    Henry Love Senior Member

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    I've got the silver and gold.They are both great.If anyone knows where I can get a Del rack,please let me know.Too bad his material went to Capitol,they would make great SACDs.
     
  14. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    Can anyone confirm (or deny) that the DCC *silver* is identical to the Captiol CD (other than bonus tracks, which seem to be different).

    Looks like I should search out the gold of LR and Delta Lady. Somehow I don't think that will be easy...
     
  15. Larry Geller

    Larry Geller Surround sound lunatic Thread Starter

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    Bayside, NY
    I'm still curious about the new 96-24 release. Does anybody have it?
     
  16. mudbone

    mudbone Gort Annaologist

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    Does anyone here own the Del-Rack issue? A scan of the cover would be very helpful.

    mud-
     
  17. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
  18. mudbone

    mudbone Gort Annaologist

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    Luke, great find.

    Absolutely the kind of disc I'd see in the used bins and bypass.

    mud-
     
  19. Larry Geller

    Larry Geller Surround sound lunatic Thread Starter

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    Bayside, NY
    The're definitely remixes--it says so on the back of the disc & I definitely hear some guitar during the verses of Beware Of Darkness that weren;t there before.
    That's it alright!
     
  20. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    I remember we had tons of Del Rack "Leons". We couldn't get rid of them! I think they were finally sold to a cutout house for five cents each. Little did people know that these were remixed (by me) to showcase the superstar talent (George Harrison, Ringo, Eric Clapton, etc.) that were mixed too far down in the released mixes.

    I hope some of you can find this!
     
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  21. JohnT

    JohnT Senior Member

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    Five cents for those guys? Sign me up :cool: .
     
  22. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    California
    Probably car wash fodder by now....
     
  23. JohnT

    JohnT Senior Member

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    PA & FL gulf coast
    Lots of credit to you Steve for even trying to remember details of work you did ten years ago. I can't even remember what I did last week :sigh:
     
  24. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Milwaukee, WI
    Too bad Tom Port doesn't have any...
     
  25. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

    Location:
    California
    I think the Del Rack stuff was "cut out" years ago; nothing in the old DCC storehouse.

    Did you ask him though?
     
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