Unique MONO 45 Versions That Are Also In Stereo(Just Not The Right Version!)

NOTE, gang, that this is not about 45 versions that have no stereo master: we've covered that, BSN has covered that, etc., etc. This one's about UNIQUE 45 mixes that have never been issued in stereo, but do have a stereo version...it's just not the right one...

Examples:

Little Anthony & The Imperials: Goin' Out Of My Head (Diff vocal take); Take Me Back (Different recording, far as I can tell, with effect on vocals)

Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs: The Hair On My Chinny Chin-Chin (Diff vocal take)

Neil Young: Cinnamon Girl

Randy Newman: several, including "You Can Leave Your Hat On" (horn overdubs heard nowhere else)

Mamas & Papas: Creeque Alley (overdubs that missed the 45/Lp version)


This one could get fun...and weird, so be warned there is some frustration to be had, because except for attempted sync-ups or DCS or other parlor games, the versions we'll be digging up will NOT have a stereo version that matches enough to say 'even close'....

 

Like these?

Beatles "Help!" - different mix and vocals
Otis Redding "I've Been Loving You Too Long" - different take

 

Yes, like those!

We can add to that Otis' "Respect" also, since it too was rerecorded in stereo for the OTIS BLUE album, but is not so obviously different as "I've Been Loving You Too Long" is....

 

The Drifters: Some Kind Of Wonderful - different vocal take.

 

While we're on The Drifters . . . how 'bout "Up On The Roof"? The mono began instrumentally, and the vocal part was initially just Rudy Lewis (up to " . . . right into space"); the stereo began with the rest of the group chiming in their "Up on the roof" throughout, even before the instrumental began (not just that, but also accompanying Mr. Lewis on the aforementioned first verse).

Or "Under The Boardwalk," which has a somewhat different vocal take between mono and stereo; the former has "We'll be falling in love" in all renditions of the chorus, while the latter has that only on the last rendition, and "We'll be making love" on the first two.

That is, if these examples count . . .

 

The Monkees "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You"

The stereo mix we have was made from the incomplete master tape. The master used was from 2/6/67 when the song consisted of one track of backing tracks, one track for Davy's vocal and 2 tracks for backing vocals. This mix would be first used in 1969 for Colgem's "Greatest Hits".
The original mono mix was lost in 1967 and this stereo mix would be used on compilations until the 1980's when the final overdub session master was found. Then a mono remix will be the tape of choice made new from this master.

YB

 

Roy Orbison "Oh Pretty Woman" - "Come to me baby" in mono. "Come with me baby" in stereo.

 

"Magic Carpet Ride" Steppenwolf

"Ole Man Trouble" Otis Redding

"Hold On I'm Comin'" Sam & Dave

 

Stones - "Get Off of My Cloud", "Satisfaction"(kinda)

Who - "My Generation"

 

I'm young/ignorant...what was different about the "Cinnamon Girl" 45?

 

Groovin'--Young Rascals
Little Egypt--Coasters
You Know My Name(Look Up The Number)--Beatles

"Egypt" is another alternate take in stereo; we got some of the Beatles B-side on ANTHOLOGY, but not the 45 version. "Thank You Girl" may exist in single form in stereo, just a matter of getting it out.

"Mr. Soul"'s 45 take doesn't match the Lp(mono or stereo), so it qualities, as does Joe Cocker's "The Letter," though those are entirely different performances.

 

It's mostly the same, except that while making the mono mix, someone forgot to pot down the vocal mic, so some vocal interjections can be heard during the solo that aren't heard on the LP. Also, it's faded at the stopping chord prior to the guitar part that ends the regular version.

I think another example in this category is "All Along the Watchtower;" the 45 has a slide guitar solo that differs from the one on the Electric Ladyland version.

BTW, both of these oddball versions are easily found on Reprise "Back-to-Back Hits" oldies 45s.

 

Correct on both counts! A refresher course on "Cinnamon Girl": http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=43852&highlight=Cinnamon+Girl

 

Huh? I wasn't aware of a difference here...but there is in "Soul Man"

 

Lots of Stax/Volt tunes from the 60's were recorded separately in mono and stereo versions, as documented in Rob Bowman's swell book, "Soulsville U.S.A.: The Story of Stax Records."

 

More:

Along Came Jones: Coasters
Afterglow: Small Faces
Baby It's You: Shirelles (diff vocal take)
Hooked On A Feeling: B.J. Thomas
Pleasant Valley Sunday: Monkees (nice try, but they'll probably never get it to match the single version)

On the main Three Dog Night singles don't qualify: true, they are very different from the Lp versions, but mixed after the fact to mono, which was generally not the norm back then. One exception might be "An Old Fashioned Love Song," which was stereo on the DJ 45 in advance of the Lp.

But if we do consider 3 Dog, then it must be agreed the majority of their singles don't match the stereo Lp versions, with a few("One," "Mama Told Me")very similar except they fade where the Lp runs cold; and "One Man Band" which was a stereo stock single.

 

She's Not There - The Zombies (although it has been redone with the drum part re-created)
Pink Shoelaces - Dodie Stevens
Baby Sittin' Boogie - Buzz Clifford (same goes for a bunch of other early 60's Coulmbia songs)

Quite a few Coasters hits and Drifters hits have different mixes/takes between stereo and mono, right?!

 

I knew that; I just wasn't aware of a difference on "Hold On I'm Comin'". But it's dawned on me that I've probably never heard the stereo...

 

Some country...

"A Good Year For The Roses" by George Jones (completely different recording on the 45, with a different arrangment)
"Julie" by Porter Wagoner (same as above; the LP is a mid tempo waltz and the 45 is a fast 4/4!)

 

Ed, I could go on all day with these...but i'll spare you. I'll just name a few right now:

"Under The Boardwalk"-The Drifters
"I've Passed This Way Before"-Jimmy Ruffin
"Up On The Roof"-The Drifters
"Want Ads"-The Honey Cone
"My Girl"-The Temptations
"Tell Mama"-Etta James
"Who's Lovin' You"-Jackson 5
"Magic Carpet Ride"-Steppenwolf
"You Can't Hurry Love" The Supremes
"Hot Fun In The Summertime"-Sly & The Family Stone
"Groovin'"-The Young Rascals
"The Letter"-The Box Tops
"Juy To The World"-Three Dog Night
"An Old Fashioned Love Song"-Three Dog Night
"Liar"-Three Dog Night
"Somebody's Been Sleeping In My Bed"-The 8th Wonder
"You Make Me Feel (Like A Natural Woman)"-Aretha Franklin

 

What about where a track has a mono/stereo LP mix + a different mono 45 mix?
I was thinking of Wilson Pickett - Jealous Love & I've Come a Long Way; both of these have different vocal takes on the 45 mixes, but not on the LP mono/stereo mixes.

 

Roger Miller's "Reincarnation" has an entirely different vocal on the Smash 45 than in stereo on "The Return of Roger Miller". I don't know if the mono version of this album has the same vocal as the 45 though.

 

Afraid so....

Sometimes it's the vocal take more than anything else...Wilson Pickett's 1971 classic, "Don't Knock My Love" suffers from beginning like the 45 version(except in stereo), but there's a place where it begins to be completely different, possibly because the single had an edit at a certain point that wasn't replicated when time came to assemble the stereo Lp.

Then there's a matter of instrumentation. Sometimes something is missing, but more often, something is added or mixed up in stereo that wasn't so evident on the 45. 8th Day's "She's Not Just Another Woman" is a good example of that, and so is Edwin Starr's "War."

Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" in mono is a famous example of a hit that changed markedly by the time the Lp was issued...but as the later 5.1 remix made obvious, with a little work a stereo single version could probably be contrived, but to date don't think it's been done.

 

"Jimmy Mack" - Martha & the Vandellas

What the hell is that stereo version? Did the multi's go astray pretty quickly to have mix the version issued in mono also into stereo? Was other "stuff" recorded direct to the mono mix (something I didn't think Motown did)?