The Rolling Stones "AFTERMATH" and bitter songs involving women

Steve,

This is actually an often theme throughout their career. Think Some Girls...

Bob

 

If this is a thread about the Rolling Stones then post is a thread crap but for some reason I always thought Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull was a guy who had strange ideas about women. Isn't "Locomotive Breath" about a woman who's perceived as being "out of control"?

 

Hmmmmm, indy mike's Pick ONE topic o' the week: Wayward waxings waylaying wimmin' (just kidding, folks) - yeah, Under My Thumb certainly comes to mind as a less than pleasant little Stones ditty. I'll add The Chocolate Watchband's stupendously misogynistic Let's Talk About Girls to the heap...

 

The Rolling Stones may have been my first love. I was a small child when I discovered their music. It has been a weird journey growing to maturity and getting the gist of their lyrics.

 

Lyle Lovett has always had to defend his songs against the "misogynist" label. I always thought they had a sense of humor to them...to each his own, I guess.

 

Hi Steve,

Funny, I've been playing "Aftermath" myself, lately. I find it hard to sing along with songs like "Stupid Girl" because the lyrics are sooo degrading. Good song, though...

BTW, I think it's really cool that you get to listen to the Stones during dinner...That Karla is a saint!

 

or honest about..

Big difference between talking about individual cases/experiences and sloganeering.

 

Awww, he bops...How could he not, I guess...Darn catchy tune!

He's gonna remember that his Dad played some cool tunes when he was growing up, you watch.

 

I think Mick Jagger was breaking up with his girlfriend of the time (Jenny Shrimpton?) or at least feeling very constrained by her and thinking of breaking up.

 

First, Steve, congrats on finding this amazing woman who likes listening to rock music during dinner!

Second, I also notice patterns in albums where there seems to be a prevailing theme in the songs. Funny, I notice that the Stones have always recorded seemingly misogynist songs.

Third, my wife "might" go for listening to rock music during dinner, but her mother would have a fit!

 

Re: Re: The Rolling Stones "AFTERMATH" and bitter songs involving women

Chrissie Shrimpton was Jagger's girlfriend at the time. I'm almost positive that "Yesterday's Papers" is an "ode" to Ms. Shrimpton.

 

"Ride on Baby" would be another Stones song that would fit nicely with the "Aftermath" theme. I personally don't take these songs to be a dig on women per-say, but a dig on an individually woman in a relationship gone bad.

 

"Sittin' On A Fence" isn't really much of an endorsement of marriage ...

I've got to say that some of the Stones' more bitter songs can be a good short-term salve after a bad breakup.

 

Ya mean the Tongues of Truth don'tch!

 

Ooops - shoulda said version - The Tongues done it first! I gotta get that Bomp set, don't I???

The Remains Don't Look Back and Steppin' Out by Paul Revere and the Raiders would fit right in...

 

maybe these hostile songs were therapy for The Rolling Stones and Dylan! I don't know about you, but I can't imagine Bob Dylan lying on a sofa with a psychiatrist

 

Well, we could add "Bitch" to the list, but why bother, it's so obvious...


Maybe the most interesting 'I hate my girl' song was Bobby Marchan's version of "There Is Something On Your Mind," originally recorded by Big Jay McNeely on Swingin', adapted the next year by Bobby Robinson's Fire label. I mean, by the end, he's a cuckolded guy, shoots the lover and then his girl, too. There's a certain....matter of fact way Marchan sings this one that's more than a little spooky....

And best heard on Marchan's Relic CD, where the song is indexed into the two parts as heard on the Fire 45.


ED

 

The Stones were marketed as the "bad boys" of rock in comparison to the Beatles. I believe there was some ad or saying that went like "would you want your daughter to date a Rolling Stone?" The songs, especially Under my Thumb, helped solidify that "nasty" image that they were trying to portray. Plus, it seems like any group or individual that has women throwing themselves at them almost always seems to treat women like objects. Maybe it's because they can pick and choose from the hundreds at will. I don't know. I know that today's Rap artists make the Stones look like school kids with their lyrics and actions.

 

Still, Mick Jagger definitely had the love/hate relationship with the opposite sex in those days(and probably still! ). Very alienating point of view.

Evan

 

The Big Bad Stones...
Still Rollin...

The Beatles had their moments..."Run For Your Life"...Hmmm, Rather see you DEAD little GIRL..subtle, huh