Pre emphasis list?

Thanks, yes I saw the discogs entry too - I'm rather puzzled, that's the same matrix as mine. How have you determined that it has PE? Flags? Light on the CD player? Comparing the CD to a rip or a CD-R copy? My CD player usually picks up on PE, but I suppose it's possible that it has the same flaw as EAC, and only picks up one kind of PE flag.

 

If it’s any reassurance, I have this disc and just put it in my vintage Denon player, which has a PE indicator on its display. It shows preemphasis. (It’s the most reliable mechanism I have to confirm it.)

 

I suggest you try CUEripper. If you have a compatible optical drive it should pick up the PE flag in the subcode and place it in the CUE file.

 

Thanks, that settles it - I think this is all pointing to my Marantz CD7300 not picking up a certain kind of pre-emphasis flag, much like EAC. It picks up the ones that EAC does, but this is the first time I've encountered a PE CD that EAC doesn't pick up. Mystery resolved, thank you!

 

Your Marantz should pick it up if you're using the analog out's on it since it's a dedicated CD Player. It would be odd if it didn't pick up the SUBQ flag.

 

Well that's what I thought, but... usually when I play a non-de-emphasised PE rip back it's blindingly obvious that something is wrong - not so in this case. The one thing I haven't done yet is burn a CD-R, to eliminate any confusion caused by the different tonalities of my streamer and cd player... because I'm temporarily out of CD-Rs. Some arriving soon, I'll try that when they do.

 

I don't have this title so I can't really give any more info, I did give my opinion that I thought it sounded better with the PE curve applied from the samples that were provided above where you tagged me

 

It sounded wrong so I checked this thread

I just re-checked & dBpoweramp does not indicate it as having PE.

Just now I compared the CD to my de-emphasized rip & I think the rip sounds "correct".

 

dB can only detect table of contents location. Flag is SUBQ on this one.

 

Antonin Kubalek
Tchaikovsky: The Seasons
1988, Dorian Recordings, DOR-90102
Matrix: DOR-90102-1T 21
(21 at the end of the matrix is etched, and there are a bunch of tetris block symbols)

Flags in subcode only

Tchaikovsky, Antonin Kubalek, Chopin, Kymlicka - The Seasons Op. 37a / Ballade No. 3 In A-Flat Major Op. 47 / Four Valses

 

The T.Rex CD's put out by SMS in Japan around 1986 sound like them have pre-emphasis.

I tried this with Futuristic Dragon and amazingly, even after I de-emphasize the SMS mastering of "London Boys" off MP32-5037, the mastering of that song on K-Tel's 1986 UK CD Best of the 20th Century Boy sounds really muffled and dull.

 

I'm not sure that both Electric Warrior, MD32-5016 1985 and Futuristic Dragon, MP32-5037 1986 do have pre-emphasis. IIRC Electric Warrior definitely doesn't and is the best I've heard that album sound on CD.

 

I only have Futuristic Dragon, but it sounds way, way too bright without the de-emphasis.

 

So it sounds correct after de-emphasising or muffled like the K-tel CD comp.?

 

It sounds correct. I threw in the detail about the K-Tel comp just to point out how terrible that track sounds on that comp.

 

Ok, I understand now. I guess I never noticed on Electric Warrior because my player decodes it.

 

Another variant-
Lionel Richie-Can't Slow Down US PMDC 90's ifpi Flag=TOC
Peaks match my US 90's DIDX. This manufacture was completely missing the flag.

 

Wait, just to be clear - the PMDC was missing the flag completely, or the DIDX was missing the flag completely?

 

The DIDX had no flags. Picked it up at a Walmart 5 buck bin about 10 years ago

 

Yellow Magic Orchestra, Naughty Boys, Alfa 38XA-6, 1984, Japan for Japan, pressed by CSR, matrix "38XA-6 11" - No idea where it is located, but XLD shows PRE tag at every track in CUE sheet.

 

To add to "38XA" releases with pre-emphasis, I can 100% confirm the following releases to have it:

Casiopea - Mint Jams 38XA-5
Casiopea - 4 X 4 (Four By Four) 38XA-10
Casiopea - Make Up City 38XA-15

There might be other 38XA releases that have it, but it isn't a sure thing; Casiopea - Down Upbeat 38XA-25 does not have pre-emphasis for instance.

 

Since learning more about pre-emphasis & where the flags are (with EAC ver 0.95 Pre Beta 3), I can confirm where they are for the above releases and a couple of others where their flag is not listed in this thread.

From my reading & understanding, EAC ver 0.95 Pre Beta 3 will display pre-emphasis in the TOC upon first scanning and in the SUBQ only when scanned with the "detect TOC manually" option. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I'm brand new to EAC & pre-emphasis flags!


All of my albums that have pre-emphasis had it show up in EAC only by scanning it manually and their flags are in the SUBQ. On top of the three Casiopea albums above I checked the following albums and they also have their flags in the SUBQ:

Herbie Hancock - Lite Me Up 35DP-31
*Michael Jackson Off the Wall CDEPC 83468 (35 8P-2 71A2 Matrix)
Michael Jackson Thriller CDEPC 85930 (35 8P-11 111A4 +++++ Matrix)


*according to other comments in this thread the pre-emphasis flags have been found in the TOC for later presses of this mastering (ESCA 5407 as an example)

 

Yes, you are correct!
If the flag is TOC it will pop up right away as having so. The beta will let you scan and detect SUBQ as you've verified

 

Another title not on the list by catalog number, but no surprise given the matrix is already on the list. Adding for completeness:

Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - CBS CDCBS 62327 (DIDP 63) (matrix: backwards pixelated font 35DP-63 31A5 +++++)
Not in the ToC, but marked in the sub-code, as verified by my Meridian 518

 

An interesting find.
Icehouse-Love In Motion (Re-titled Primitive Man) Japan JVC For UK
Flag=SUBQ