There are a couple of them: Black Sabbath S-T Creative Sounds 6006, Wings Wild Life Fame EMI... I suspect the Sonopress 01 XTC Oranges & Lemons too... I'm sure there are others.
And I am obliged to say that it's all subjective judgement, but in this case I'm pretty confident. Have a listen and let me know what you think!
Added Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 New Order - Low Life - Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
A new one: The Empire Strikes Back - the re-recording by The National Philarmonic Orchestra conducted by Charles Gerhardt - Varèse Sarabande VSD-5353 Matrix: CVS 34.5353 P+O-12528-A1 05-92 "Made in Germany" on disc. Pre-Emphasis recognized by EAC.
I can't find any info, can anyone confirm either way if the 25DP-5247 Japanese pressing of Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. has pre-emphasis or not? I ripped it and it sounds bright to me, but it was not flagged as PE. I can de-emphasize if needed, but maybe the album's supposed to be this bright? The only copy I owned before was an old pre-recorded cassette, makes comparisons difficult.
Dismayed by the existance of this mastering gimmick, today I began to check my collection for emphasis flags with EAC V1.0b3. Because someone stated in very early posts about Denon label having emphasis in all their catalog, I can confirm discs 2 through 5 of the Brilliant Classics label "Helene Grimaud - The Piano Collection" are Denon reissued recordings and trigger positive. Disc number 1 doesn't trigger a positive, but it does sound marginally louder and fuller in CD player versus flac file playback through the same CD player machine, indicative of de-emphasis application since orchestral music and pianos register mainly below the 3KHz +3dB which starts being noticeable. As I understand, the curve reaches +6dB at 7KHz, which is instantly heard as way too much treble. CD1: Helene Grimaud, R.P.O., Lopez-Cobos - Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto no.2, Ravel: Piano Concerto in G Major (negative PE in EAC) CD2: Helene Grimaud - Rachmaninoff: Piano Sonata no.2, Etudes-tableaux op.33 (positive PE in EAC) CD3: Helene Grimaud - Chopin: Ballade no.1, Liszt: Apres une lecture de Dante, Schumann: Piano Sonata no.1 (positive PE in EAC) CD4: Helene Grimaud - Schumann: Kreisleriana, Brahms: Piano Sonata no.2 (positive PE in EAC) CD5: Helene Grimaud - Brahms: Piano Sonata no.3, 6 Klavierstuecke op.118 (positive PE in EAC)
Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Why is this listed on pre-emphasis list? I thought that in Japan made black face is PE negative. Are there any more variations for this black face then? I know that CP35 black triangle pressing definitely does have PE (in sub channel like all CP35 discs only detectable with EAC 0.95 pb3) and contains a unique mastering according the forum post here.
Hello! 1. Pet shop boys "Please" CDP 7 46271 2 NIMBUS ENGLAND 2. Hound Dog "Dreamer" 35DH 98 Japan MAtrix - 35DH 98 11A1
Most likely. I don't actually have this cd but anything from 35DP series has 90% chance of being PE positive. If you have original cd run it through EAC 0.95 pb3. It's working like a charm with checking in sub channel. (tested it on CP35-3001 Tug of War cd) Let us know the results.
Based on the evidence in other threads and my own good experience burning with flags set, signs point to Black Sabbath Paranoid, Creative Sounds 6007-2, having pre-emphasis.
Added: Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 Jacksons - Triumph EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Dire Straits - Alchemy - 818 244-2 and 818 245-2 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Jacksons - Destiny - EK35552 Jacksons - Triumph EK36424 ("Now Made In The USA") Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 New Order - Low Life - Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58Santana - Beyond Appearances - CK39527 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
New Order-Lowlife Facd 100 Made in Japan No barcode, rice paper inner with four photo cards, possibly for UK?
Andreas Vollenweider - Behind the Gardens... Both the 'Japan 4 Europe' (Matrix DIDP-10054 31A9 ++++) and the 'Made in Austria' (Matrix CDCBS-85545 12 A4) disks have PE. At least indexing is different on both disks (8 tracks vs 9 tracks).
In case anyone is interested, I have had pretty decent luck working today on my computer with WaveEmph. The nice thing about WaveEmph is that it will De-Emphasize and allow you to adjust volume at the same time. Questions: On CD players, is there any adjustment to put back some of the volume drop when the top end is reduced? Should I be increasing the volume with WaveEmph when I do the De-Emphasis processing? On 3 of the 4 CD's that I De-Emphasized today, I did not increase the volume but I did on one as it seemed like it was taking a bigger hit on the volume when doing the processing.
Well you must perform some commands for checking in subcode with this eac version: (loading cd is not enough as it still looking only in toc) Action-TOC Alterations-Detect TOC Manually and wait for the result in Pre-Emphasis column Yes/No.
Is it a gimmick though? The Meridian 518 processor manual claimed that properly implemented pre-emphasis/de-emphasis could actually result in better dynamic range from a DAC if it used analog de-emphasis. It's kinda complicated though, you have to read the manual http://www.meridian-audio.com/download/Handbooks/500_Series/518user.pdf
