Pink Floyd The Wall - CD from Harvest/EMI - Could be best ever.

I'd love to hook up with a few forum members from this thread and have a good listening party.

I nominate Dave's place; I like pickles.... and his stereo is better than mine...

 

Well the 48DP is the 2nd issue anyway, the 50DP is the first, and yes, both of these versions as well as the C2K versions are exactly the same.

Rather than take my word for it, I believe that ScottJ has said that he has both the 48DP and the C2K and found them to be the same and I know that KeithH has the 50DP and the C2K as well (maybe also the 48DP) and found them to be the same. The 48DP is not that hard to find so I'm sure other people have done the same comparisons.

 

Hmmm, perhaps Scott can chime in here and verify this because I currently have his Japan Harvest CDP 7 black-faced pressing because he is curious about my opinion on this and the C2K shoot-out. I of course will be throwing the 48DP into the mix when it arrives along with my CDP. Scott what's the word, are they identicle masterings?

 

Here you go Dave:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=1755644&postcount=14

and here:

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=1777763&postcount=28

 

Well, that ends that. I guess Scott just wants to know if I hear like everyone else who's compared them.

 

Actually my roomate and I just did a blind comparison between the Harvest UK and the c2k, and the c2k won by a long shot. We're still with ya Dave.

 

That is NOT true! The first Japanese issue was not on Columbia! It was the Harvest issue that was first. I know. I bought it.

Kevin

 

The 50DP version IS the first Japanese issue for the Japanese market. Whether the Harvest cd pressed in Japan for the UK market was released earlier or not, I am not certain, but my guess is that they were released right around the same time.

 

Dave, I just want to know what you think of the Japan Black Faced UK Harvest mastering. Since you hadn't heard it yet, and there was this on-going debate that some preferred it over the C2K mastering, I would like to know your preference once you are able to give it a good listen. There is NO DOUBT that it is different mastering than the C2K, now it's just a matter of preference.

As I've said before, I will reach for the C2K mastering 7 out of 10 times for my listening pleasure. Again, that's just my personal preference.

 

Nope. The copy I bought had an obi. I no longer have it because back then it never occurred to me to keep them, but I definitely remember it having one. When I bought it, it was the first version available. I read about it's existence and being the huge PF fan, went and bought it... for big bucks. I seem to remember it being around $50. That was an extreme amount of money for a college student.

The thing is, if what you're saying is true and that the Harvest and 50DP were in print at the same time, why would they have very different masterings? I think everyone agrees that the Harvest CDs sound very different from the US CK, which seems to be identical to the 50DP. It does not make sense that these two would have totally different mastering if they were pressed at the same time.

 

The first Japanese pressing intended for Japan was indeed the 50DP version. As you are all no doubt aware, the first ever CD pressing plants were based in West Germany and Japan. However, in the early days of CDs, the record companies in Japan, in their rush to get their product out in Japan, would quite often slap obi strips on CDs originally destined for overseas markets and release them here in Japan.

It sounds to me as though Kevin may have acquired one of these rush-released, Japanese, originally-intended-for-overseas pressings, which means that it probably pre-dates the 50DP Japan-for-Japan pressing, but not by much.

 

Question. I have UK Harvest. My cds & booklet is on normal dual case,not fatboy.

As I know from pinkfloydcd.com ,UK version was released only as "fatboy".

Has anybody info about standart dual-case version of UK The Wall? Is early or late isssue?

matrix (may help): cdp 746037-2 3:6:33 EMI SWINDON

 

Don't forget Kevin that this is more about Pink Floyd Music copyright. The mastering are different because EMI own the rights for UK & Europe.
Sony/Columbia/CBS own the rights for Japan and north America.

This is only an issue for anything after Wish You were here. All earlier releases are EMI ONLY

Therefore 2 different companies are mastering and making the CD for their own markets-hence the totally different mastering. These companies are not affiliated in any way, in fact the exact opposite.... they are competitors. They probably used different CD manufacturing plants as well.

So to answer your question why would they be in print at the same time?..the same reason you can buy Pepsi and Coca Cola from the same store. The difference being in the USA that the Harvests would be "Imported from UK" and the 50DP "imported from Japan"

 

But that's not how it happened. I bought this CD and my "Abbey Road" black triangle CD at the same time at a store called Capital Records in Hartford, CT. Both had obis with Japanese writing on it. Nothing indicated that this CD set came from England and nothing indicating that it was intended to be sold there.

 

But you are aware that some West german targets were sold in Japan simply by adding OBIs to them?

No one is saying you are wrong, there will have been limited supplies and Harvest (japan for Europe) may well have been imported or may well have been sold domestically in Japan for a very short time..it was early days for CDs.
An OBI would be interesting to see for a Harvest issue. There are non documented that I know of for this release other than the Sony version.

 

I've got today old UK press The Wall (NO UPC).


CDs matrix numbers:
cd1: CDP 746036-2@2 ++
cd2: CDP 746037-2@2 ++

This release has true audiophile sound,my opinion much better than regular remaster & MFSL version (I own both).It is so live & nice recorded,so it is directly touched my soul.

 

Is there a variation of a Columbia/CBS/Sony early mastering *without* the "pop" on the beginning of Comfortably Numb?

 

I saw three C2K copy's of THe Wall at FYE today, but left them as there is no way to tell whether they are pressed in Japan or not from the packaging, they were shrinkwrapped.

 

Take them up to the counter and ask to see the discs. If you don't see what you want, don't buy them and they can put them back out on the shelf.

 

This is the version that Tommytunes and I have been espousing for anyone who cared to listen for some time...

 

Funny how this thread started before you were a member.

 

Holy smokin' thread resurrection, Batman!

 

Has anyone heard the HDCD Japanese release? I found one on eBay. I also found a few of the UK Harvest silver faces which I'm going to try and acquire.

I think the MFSL Ultradisc sounds ok but to me it sounds like they've applied a bit of a "smile curve" to it. I don't mind this so much because sometimes I turn the bass up a bit on older recordings anyway.

 

I was told that the HDCD CDs are bootlegs. The only ones I've seen were made in Hong Kong.

 

Yes, that would make sense, I meant Chinese but accidentally typed Japanese (force of habit when talking about CD masters ). It is listed on Amazon for some reason with a pretty crappy scan of the cover, I guess somebody was selling one on there at some point. The description claims that the HDCD has DSD encoded sound which is obviously rubbish.