PINK FLOYD - Meddle - Black Triangle Disc CP32-5032 Japan 1st pressing

I like the black triangle, but I've always been picky when it comes to MoFi, so I may not be on the same page as everyone else.

The Japanese title for this is, "Osekkai" which means "none of your business". As in don't "meddle" it's "none of your business"...

 

hmmm my US silver seems to be the loudest in the lot. What do I win?

EAC extraction logfile from 22. May 2007, 3:52 for CD
Pink Floyd / Meddle

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So the Yanks had their own mastering, hmmm... interesting.
Is it this one: http://pinkfloydcdscanz.bizland.com/Meddle/UScdp7460342.html ? (If so, I'm glad I snagged one for next to nothing on eBay the other day.)
Have you ever compared it to any of the others?

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-TJ

"Hi, my name is ... and I am a collector of almost identical cds."

 

Are we talking about the Japan pressed black faced Harvest CD here? I bought that one in 1985, I've always thought that it was the first issue. This one sounds good but does not have as much volume as the '94 remaster.

 

Yes we are, in as far as your BlackFace has the same mastering as the Black Triangle in the thread title. But as always a Pink Floyd thread will grow and grow...

 

By comparing waveforms and by listening. This is the UK track 1:

 

And this is from the WG; the same only less gain.

 

Well, if this is the case then all Meddles, except the MFSL, are the same mastering.
Except for some volume adjustments. And (as the peak values tell us) these volume adjustments vary from song to song. I even seem to remember the football crowd at the end of Fearless being relatively louder, compared to the rest of the song, on the Swindon than on the BlackFace.

 

I thought you said that the US had a different mastering. Could it just be the application of No-noise?

Jake

 

They may be from the same source, but they definitely don't sound the same to me. Guys, this peak level matching does not tell you this and if it did I would be the first to say so. Speculate away, but the only real way to tell is compare by listening to them all on a somewhat revealing system.

 

The 1983/84 Black Triangle pressing is the first released CD of Meddle globally. The 94 sounds louder because of digital mastering compression added which actually takes away from the definition IMO.

 

It didn't sound too bad on it's own, but I played the mofi afterwards, and it jumped out of the speakers. This US is too bright and flat. MFSL sounds way more natural and three dimensional. The differences seem very obvious to me, but maybe it was a reaction to the stronger bass on the MFSL.

The covers are exactly like those in the link, but the CD looks like this:

 

I did say that, and I still believe that varying differences in peak levels suggest different masterings. As to the application of no-noising, I don't know, not having heard the US yet. But I would be surprised.

I agree. I'm just saying that if all peak levels match, then this suggests they are the same. A phase-inversion/cancellation test would be useful here, and admittedly I haven't done this with the BT and the BF.

My 92 "remastered" edition cancels out with my Swindon pressing, when the 0.2 dB overall level difference is compensated for.

Maybe not way more, but compared to the versions I have heard, I too prefer the MFSL.

So, to recapitulate:
1. The Japan Black Triangle CP32-5032 and the Japan BlackFace w/CP32-5032 in the matrix may be the same (and maybe also the W.Germany BlackFace), but Dave claims they sound different (and he has heard them both).
2. The 92 uncredited "remaster" and the UK Swindon are the same, and so are probably all SilverFace Harvest discs.
3. It is likely that the US (Capitol) is another mastering.

Which leaves us with probably four different masterings. From what I've read in various previous threads/postings on the subject, it seems the MFSL is the forum favourite, while some members prefer the Swindon.

As for newer editions (picture discs, etc), I don't know.



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And I agree with you Dave, let's not get too distracted from the pleasure of listening.

 

I think the difference is quite notable. Again, maybe it's the extra bass that's playing tricks on me, but I find the MoFi more inmersive.

http://rapidshare.com/files/33027162/meddle.zip.html

 

I have japanese Black Harvest CDP 7460342 and very like how it sound.

 

Fruitiness? What does that mean in relation to an audio component?

 

Maybe "ripe"?

 

Hmmm, sounds like me when I miss my daily shower.

 

Perhaps he thinks he's at a wine-tasting. The Black Triangle has a refreshing bouquet...

 

I haven't read this entire thread, but interestingly, my US market black-face JPN. made Meddle cd has CP32 in the matrix, while my UK market black face Meddle does not. I have yet to a-b, guess I should.

 

Peter, is the CD you have on Capitol or Harvest? Just curious. I think they had both floating around back then.

 

Yeah, that might work. Some components sound raw. Others sound rotten. The good ones could sound ripe. The problem is that fruit quickly turns from ripe to rotten. Might components do the same thing? I guess that would be the opposite of break-in.

 

Interesting.

My European market (UK etc.) blackface Harvest which is "Made in Japan" also has the CP32 number in the matrix, along with the CDP number.

It sounds very nice to me. I also have the MFSL, which is also nice, but I am not certain which one I like better. The MFSL has more detail, but the Harvest sounds warmer and more natural to me. Both are very good masterings in my opinion.

 

In my opinion the MFSL version of both Meddle and Dark Side of the Moon are the highest quality versions of these albums.

Of course this is all totally subjective, but thats one of the many nice aspects of music and sound.

 

My cd matrix is cdp 7-46034 5 1A5 C .I don't know if it a difference between this & other black harvests,but my playing great.