MFSL Blind Faith – Ultradisc vs. Ultradisc 2

i think a lot of people in this thread really, really need to take a weekend and read this book.



There are a few in here in desperate need of an education.

 

All I'M saying is that your "SCIENTIFIC" data is flawed, because it ignores the big picture in favor of one simple test, which may or may not be adequate. And I'm NOT arguing for belief in "mystical, indefinable human abilities drawn out of the ether" or asking "science" to "disprove" these abilities. I know I hear definite diferences between different different masterings of the same recording (SOME people don't hear THAT), and I hear definite differences betweeen the way I hear the SAME individual discs on different days. I'm not convinced those differences are "real" - they may be strictly a function of my own psychology and mood (i.e. all in my own head). Or, they may result from interactions between my equipment, temperature, humidity, barometric pressure, etc. Or a combination. All I know is that I DO hear differences, and on some days my system seems to sound "better" than on other days. And I have no idea if I personally would hear a difference between a UDI or a UDII of the same title, or if I did if it would be enough to matter to me, because I've never tried it.

You seem to have the idea that I am trying to convince you that there IS a difference between UDIs and IIs. I'm not. I've even said that you may be correct. It is possible that any perceived difference is psychological. Or that if there IS some kind of difference that only a statistically insignificant sample of the population is ABLE to hear it. ALL I'm saying is that your insistence that simply compariong the 1's and 0s in 2 files is proof of anything is a 100% dogmatic exercise, and if you want to convince anyone otherwise, you should offer a mathematical proof that supports your reasoning rather than attacking everyone who disagrees with you. As it stands, I can assure you as someone who deals with 1s and 0s and mathematical algorithms every day, that your arguments are no more scientific than anyone else's on this thread.

 

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It would give you a clue, but it wouldn't PROVE anything. My ONLY point here is that at this point in human history we haven't the knowledge to offer a DEFINITIVE proof either way.

 

Please tell me more about this book...

 

You talk like digital audio is some sort of extraterrestrial technology that we haven't fully come to terms with.

 

I'll fly anywhere in this country with $5000 cash and pay it to anybody who can hear the difference between a UDI and UDII that null to zero, show no uncorrectable and comparable correctable errors in an EAC scan, and that have the same pre-emphasis settings (we'll use a player with a pre-emphasis indicator). You'll have to pick it out 18 of 20 times in a blind test. Since these discs are not subtle it shouldn't be a problem.

Likewise, bring your own cash, $5000 for if you lose.

The only major condition is that any publication that wants to write up the story be allowed access to interview the participants before and afterwards (not during) the testing.

I'll do the same thing with Shakti stones.

I'm not here to debate DBT, we all have different opinions and that is great. I just want to extend the offer. We don't have to discuss it here.

 

If I had $7000.00 ($2000.00 for expenses, shipping etc.) lying around and was allowed to use my own system, then sure I'd take your challange. Unfortunately I'm about $7000.00 away.

 

Sounds fair to me, provided the tests are conducted in the listener's home, on the listener's system, and the listener can control any switching with none of the short time limits that usually make me doubt the veracity of this kind of test. If I was acutely attuned to differences in UDI vs UD II titles I'd take you up on it. As it stands, I'd be willing to contribute $200 to Dave's end, if some other members will do the same. I'd finance the whole thing if I had an extra $5000 laying around. I have no opinion how the test would turn out, but I'd be INCREDIBLY curious to see the results.

 

I don't want to put more oil in the fire, but...

...I just compared the UD1 and UD2 of Sting's "Nothing Like The Sun". The difference Dave described like a "veil" is definitely there. I think this should be audible on most decent systems.

I can even here the difference in 192 kbit/s mp3-files which I made for my computer library.

Anybody have both versions available of this specific title?

Roland

 

I'm NOT reading 7 pages of 'one's & zero's are one's & zero's' (thanks thread crashers).
Do the people that hear a difference between BF:S/T UD1 vs. UD2, have a preference?
Are the digital files for both a match?
Thanks.

 

I do , one in my collection (can you guess what version ? ) another in my sale/trade pile.

Andrew