McCartney II secret meaning of the inner sleeve photos

He sported a stache in 1982 while he was doing some painting but I can't place anything more recent then that..

The 'Coming Up' videos begs to differ with you.

 

I can understand the suspicion. I'm sure that had never happened before.

 

In the Summer of Love, the late Paul McCartney was replaced by Percy Dovetonsils.

 

They have had an on again, off again feud for many years. So McCartney "could have" had photos already appropriate for this moment.

It's not like this has never happened before between the two of them on their albums. So their is a precedent with Ram, the pig, the beetles photo, How do you sleep etc. This HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.


Especially, when their is a pretty good source that places the Lennon's at least partially responsible for McCartney's drug bust just 6 months before.

 

Yes and no.

He's playing a younger Paul McCartney. If John, George or Ringo had been in the band then I would have to agree with you.

 

lol brilliant....so perfect

 

In January of 1980 it had been almost 4 years since Lennon and McCartney had seen each other. This could have been McCartney offering a peace pipe but Lennon at this stage was not having much contact with anyone from his rock and roll years. So Lennon "probably" turned the offer down or at the very least Yoko did.

 

"Just in case John ever does anything in the future that might piss me off, I'd better take some photos of myself mocking his wife and child in a really oblique way. I'll keep them on file for when I need them."

 

I don't think he meant anything negative about Sean. The pic is only included to make it more obvious who he is referring to.

Remember, I don't expect a lot of you to agree with me on this, it's only a theory that someone pointed out to me a long time ago and in my mind made a lot of sense.

 

Nope, he's playing Beatle Paul here and that was definitely seen as a big connection to the Beatles and the other 3.

 

And who didn't make the connection between "The Plastic Macs" (as seen in the "Coming Up" video) and the Plastic Ono Band at the time?

 

So the general consenus here seems to be that the first photo is Lennon
(Lennon specs, bathrobe househusband etc) Why the unflattering facial expression?

the 2nd and 3rd photos are in dispute between being George and Ringo, Yoko and Sean or that Paul is just stoned and they don't mean anything.


An important point has been made that Paul had these photos taken in 1979.
But let's also keep in mind that John and Paul's relationship had been strained for a long time. They had not seen each other since 1976 when John turned Paul away at the front desk of the Dakota when he showed up unannounced with John saying he was too tired to see him.
They would never have any contact again except for over the phone.

Yoko was never popular with Paul and Linda so who knows what was said or done during those years in the way of conversation, photos etc.

The McCartney II album is historic in the sense it was the last McCartney album released while John Lennon was alive.
The impact was significant, Paul would not tour again for almost 10 years most likely fearing for his own safety and his importance with the Beatles was threaten when he referred to John as " Martin Luther Lennon" because of the "sainthood" given him by the media and the public following his death.

 

No, there isn't. The only source for this story — I should say "stories," since he's told it in different versions over the years — is Fred Seaman, who claims that Yoko telephoned Japanese authorities in advance of Paul's visit to tip them off. Seaman used to entertain people on rec.music.beatles with a recount of how he'd overheard this conversation, until someone asked him if he could speak Japanese. Nowadays he says that he was not a direct witness, but heard about the phone call afterwards from tarot-reader John Green. Green denies this.

McCartney was busted because he tried travelling to a country with some of the harshest drug laws in the developed world, a country that had previously denied him a visa because of his drug convictions, with 200 grams of weed. No conspiracy theories needed to figure that one out.

 

On Page 90 and 91 of Seaman's book " The Last Days of John Lennon" Birch Press he was in the kitchen when the Lennon's found out the McCartney's were going to be staying in their exact hotel suite and how upset they were about it. Rich Depalma (the Lennon's in house accountant) had stated that because of this Yoko and John Green were "working on the Japan problem" The next day Paul was busted.

Yes, Seaman did not make the phone call or admit to hearing a phone call but received the rest of the story from DePalma. Seaman was physically in the kitchen when then the crisis first unfolded that sent the Lennon's into a panic.

 

The "general consensus" as in "The general consensus with druids seems to be that ley lines exist."
I still thinks it's nonsense.

 

Right, this is the version of the story where Yoko closeted herself with John Green to make the phone call. But I'll let forum member Groff describe Green's own account of the incident, in Dakota Days:

 

Seaman?
Please....

 

This reminds me of one of Seaman's funniest lies, his story of Yoko's 47th birthday:

Now here's Yoko herself, on the same incident:

White chrysanthemums are used for funerals in Japan, not gardenias.

 

Well I'm not a fan of Fred Seaman and his problems after Lennon's death, but his book is one of the best ever written about John Lennon for those lucky enough to have a copy and to have actually read it. I'm not alone in that assessment. Beatlefan magazine recently listed it as towards the top of all Lennon books.

Greens' book Dakota Days is regarded as one of the worse, where dialog attributed to John Lennon doesn't even sound like his words. Green was a Psychic who charged the Lennon's thousands of dollars for worthless information, not exactly the most honorable profession. His occupation was basically "making things up"
Seaman was a journalism major who kept daily notes, otherwise recollections this accurate would have been impossible from memory and they totally ring true.

Yoko, who I like more than most has been known to sugar coat all things about Lennon. Not exactly giving a true accurate account of their lives together.

Newsweek magazine asked Yoko and Mintz about her alleged affair with art dealer Sam Green (No relation) while John was still alive and she would not deny it, but simply ignored the question.
Sam Green has acknowledge it, only because one of his assistants spilled the beans which forced him to come forward.

 

It's supposedly more like a book, then a diary - after returning to England he printed up 10 or so copies and gave them to close family and friends.

 

BTW, I'm not a Fred Seaman apologist by any means but people do forget that he did have a very close relationship with John. John trusted him an awful lot and he went down to Bermuda with him and Sean, he even played on a lot of the bermuda demos and supposedly witnessed Johns' last public performance in a bar playing Jealous Guy on piano.

John publicly credited him for introducing him to some of the new 80's music, B-52's and the like and he was even credited in the liner notes of Double Fantasy.

Yes he was convicted of taking some of the photos and Johns tapes after his death, but do we really know the full story? Maybe I don't know the whole story, or don't have all the facts.. but if we're going to recount stories from Yoko and then Fred, I don't see why we should automatically assume Yoko is the one telling the truth

 

I'm not here to stick up for Fred Seaman either, but some of the stuff he did say in his book turned out to be factual. For example, I think he said something about Yoko being strung out on heroin around 1979, and she has admitted that publicly. Whether or not he should have put it in a book is another debate. Jack Douglas had this to say about Seaman in Beatlefan in 1999:

Q: What did you think of Seaman, by the way? He's now like this
vilified character.

A: Fred, was like, you know, he just got hammered, man, I mean, there
was no - John loved him and he was hired to be John's assistant. I
mean, wherever John went, he brought Fred, you know? And, I mean,
Fred, he probably made a couple of mistakes. But what he got nailed
for was like really off the wall. John - and I was there - John used
to get things sent to him, not just one thing, he'd get a boom box, or
a cassette machine, they'd send him two, three of them, or they'd just
send him one - he just didn't want all the stuff that he used to get
from companies. Everybody would just want him to say "I use this," you
know. And he was getting complimentary stuff all the time and he told
Fred one day, "Take that," he says, "Go in the room, Fred, and take
whatever you want, man, you can have it." And Fred went in and he took
stuff and he brought it home and it was practical stuff he could use
but Yoko had
somebody always keeping an inventory of everything that was in that
room and so, I mean, you know, Fred never, like, signed this stuff out.
John told him, "Keep it Take it, I don't want that crap," and when
Fred finally got nailed it was because they said, well you know,
"There's this stuff missing and you might find it at Fred Seaman's
house." And once they went there, they matched the serial numbers, it
was like a grand larceny rap. And so, that's what he got taken down on
and it was really like, you know, he was there to keep a journal for
John...and whatever John ever asked him to do, Fred was like right
there. It was a bum rap.

 

Has it occurred to anyone that there is no hidden meaning in the pictures and that Paul was making art just for the sake of making art? True, he could have some meaning behind the photos but then again, he could have made them just so people would still talk about what they all mean 30 years later.

 

I believe that was Elliot Mintz in Japan.

 

Speaking of Mintz, here is Jack Douglas' take on him from that same Beatlefan '99 interview....

Q: What do you think of him (Mintz)?

A: Ugh. I'm not an Elliot fan. You doesn't like me; I don't like
him...weird because John, you know, didn't have one good word for
Elliot. Sorry, Elliot. It's like, if Elliot was coming, John was like
"ugh." He was more Yoko's friend. Yeah. I can remember Elliot coming
by our place, you know. Someone brought him their not knowing that it
was not a good idea but I came up and it was a house I had in the
Hollywood Hills...I was doing some records out there. And I so
treasured these great pictures that I had, of John and I, that I would
take them with me when I was traveling. I was going to spend six
months in a house in Los Angeles so in my little office I had pictures
of John and I. Amazing picture of John and I listening to "Starting
Over" for the first time, (while finishing up "Double Fantasy")
somebody from the maintenance shop, because we released it as (an
advance) single. Somebody from maintenance said, "Hey, they're playing
'Starting Over on the radio." John and I went running into the
maintenance shop and we're both standing like dumbfounded, like with
these stupid smiles, like kids, listening to "Starting Over" and
there's a little radio, me and John leaning
over it, unopposed just like kids and somebody took a snap of it and so
I had all these pictures and someone brought Elliot by and Elliot saw
these pictures around my place...

My place was burglarized and you know what they stole? Pictures.
That's all. All the pictures were gone. Every picture I had. There
must have been a dozen, really beautiful. That's strange.

I mean, all my gold and platinum records ended up in a closet at
Yoko's. I never got them! Well, somebody (took) one out and gave it
to me as a birthday present. They gave me a platinum single and a
platinum record.

Q: But you worked on the record, you were very loyal.

A: One day, I asked someone, I'm not gonna mention the name because
he's still working, a loyal employee, who was also a good friend, and I
asked him, "What's the story up there?" and he said, "I don't know,
Jack, for some reason you are on the enemies list." And all I could
ever think of was that I knew too much. And that it would be better -
she suspected that everyone who knew a lot over the years was gonna
write a book, you know, and that I would be one of these people who
wrote a book and like tried to make money off it.

Q: And you still haven't.

A: You know, I made enough just in the royalties, (they) were like 3
million bucks. It was like ridiculous and she really lost a good
friend because I was really a friend to her and I really respected her
art. And she always knew that, so she really lost a good friend. I
pleaded with her over and over again every time that we could see each
other where I could get a word in, "Yoko, don't go to court. This is
so silly, let's not go to court." And when we did, it was a big public
to-do. And she really was, I mean, it was a jury trial, six in the
civil size, and the jury was out five minutes, came back in and the
judge screamed at her, and it was like all this. Like how can you do -
it was a matter with the contract. Like she tried to say the contract
was a forgery, all this really weird stuff, brought in people to say
that I...people like (Rolling Stone publisher) Jann Wenner to say that
I was a nobody, that they'd never heard of me...and then my lawyer
said, "Can we talk about how many times you've mentioned him in your
magazine?"...He made Jann read those on the stand.

For the record, Jack & Yoko are friends again. Here is the entire interview for those interested....
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.music.beatles/2005-12/msg00250.html