I don't believe so, but it's a great pressing anyway, as is the CDN. copy I have as well (also a non RL). Bencanas also likes the mid-70's CDN. red Polydor Layla LP. I can attest to this too. Simply another great record.
Thanks, Peter. With both you and Bencanas recommending it, I will definitely look for a copy of the mid-70's CDN red Polydor Layla vinyl. Believe it or not, I have yet to hear the whole album on Layla. Now I have the version to look for. Yippeeeee
today, i found what can be considered a 'holy grail' for me: an 'RL' copy of Leslie West - Mountain, still-in-shrink in NM condition. the bass is so syrup-y thick, good lord! it sounds incredible, and that's saying a lot since this album was not very well-recorded (IMHO). it beats the Vic Anesini-remastered Legacy CD (1996). i didn't even know RL mastered this album! i was positively stupefied when i inspected the dead wax! which leads me to believe, since he also cut (with Lee Hulko) Nantucket Sleighride, that there must be some copies of Climbing! with the 'RL' etching. does anyone else have Leslie West - Mountain with 'RL'? what about Climbing!? i also picked up a WLP 'Sterling RL' of Stealers Wheel's second album, Ferguslie Park. not a very good album, though.
I was wondering about the significance of RL on both sides of an Lp. Does it mean that when his initials appear only on one side that ONLY that side was mastered by him? I have quite a few RL's on one side, and quite frankly cannot discern and differentiate a sonic difference between the two. Does anyone out there have any good info on this? BTW, I have two Green label copies of The Band, one of which has RL on both sides, and the other with RL only inscribed on one side.
Today I found another Robert Ludwig mastered LP.... Tim Curry (Rocky Horror Picture Show, Home Alone 2) - Fearless
I apologize in advance for giving you not much of an answer. From my experience, sometimes the non-RL side sounds just fine (and I would suspect that the non-RL side was also mastered by Mr. Ludwig himself). A good example of this is The Police, Synchronicity with the EUR-1 EUR-4 stampers, which sounds equally excellent on both sides. But in certain instances the non-RL side most significantly is inferior to the RL side. The best example of the latter is Led Zep II with a really wide dead wax area on Side 2 (of course, without the RL on Side 2). The difference between the two sides for that LP is basically night and day.
No. He didn't always sign both sides even though he cut them both (especially true with his Masterdisk work). Check to see if the deadwax writing matches on the RL and non-RL sides. There is a post a page or so back regarding this. -Aaron
I had some RL LPs and never would have known without this forum! I just checked and my Rush Moving Pictures, Police Synchronicity and Dire Straits Brothers in Arms have Masterdisk RL in the deadwax. The coolest part is they were $1.01 each at Goodwill. Moving Pictures and Brothers in Arms are both a little noisy but when the music is going they are sublime...now I know why. I haven't even cleaned Synchronicity yet...but it'll be cleaned & spinning this weekend.
I got bored at work.....here are all the Bob Ludwig mastered Lps mentioned in this thread: .38 Special Wild-Eyed Southern Boys .38 Special Special Forces AC/DC Back in Black Asia Astra Atlanta Rhythm Section Third Annual Pipe Dream Atlanta Rhythm Section Champagne Jam Band, The Stage Fright Band, The S/T Betts, Dicky Highway Call Blind Faith S/T Bowie, David Let's Dance Brewer & Shipley Tarkio Buckingham Nicks S/T Clapton, Eric E.C. Was Here Collins, Judy Recollections Costello, Elvis Spike Costello, Elvis All This Useless Beauty Curry, Tim Fearless Def Leppard Hysteria DiMeola, Al Elegant Gypsy Dire Straits Love Over Gold Dire Straits Brother in Arms Dire Straits Extended DancE Play Edgar Winter Group They Only Come Out At Night Fagen, Donald Nightfly Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac's Greatest Hits (1971 -- the Peter Green years) Fleetwood Mac Rumors Foo Fighters In Your Honor Frank Zappa Sheik Yerbouti Hall and Oates Big Bam Boom Hall and Oates ROCK 'N SOUL PART 1 Hendrix, Jimi Band of Gypsys Hendrix, Jimi Hendrix in the West Jackson, Joe Big World Joel, Billy The Stranger Journey Escape Kiss Alive! Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II Led Zeppelin Houses of the Holy Lou Reed Metal Machine Music Madonna Like a Virgin Mellencamp, John Uh-Huh Moreira, Airto Seeds on the Ground: Morrison, Van His Band and his Street Choir Mountain Nantucket Sleighride Nirvana In Utero NRBQ Scraps Paul Butterfield Better Days Paul Butterfield Blues Band Keep on Moving Poco Legend Police, The Synchronicity REM Life's Rich Pageant Ronstadt, Linda Silk Purse Roxy Music Avalon Roxy Music Flesh & blood Rush Moving Pictures Rush Exit…..Stage Left Rush Signals Scorpions World Wide Live Shaw, Tommy Girls With Guns Sly & The Family Stone There's A Riot Goin' On Springsteen, Bruce Seeger Sessions Springsteen, Bruce Born to Run Stackridge Pinafore Days Stackridge Extravaganza Stealers Wheel Ferguslie Park Steely Dan Gaucho Steely Dan Greatest Hits Thomas, B.J. Raindrops keep Fallin' On My Head Tony Orlando And Dawn Greatest Hits Waite, John Ignition Warwick, Dionne Soulful West, Leslie Mountain Yes 90125 ZZ Top Fandango
If you like live Rock, you may also like Dire Straits, Alchemy (double LP). This came out in both the regular version and the Quiex version and both have RL etched on the dead groove. Also, if you like Phil Collins, No Jacket Required was mastered by RL with his initials etched in the dead wax (not all copies, however, were mastered by RL). There are also Kinks LPs on Arista label, including Sleepwalker. I have not had the time to clean and play them but when I do, I will post here whether they are good enough to be a "must have".
I want your job! I wish I had that much time at my job to do a list like that! Thanks, BTW, for taking the time out of your busy day (being facetious here) to do this for us! Cheers, Tristna
Got a LP in the mail yesterday and lo and behold it has Masterdisk RL on both sides LP is ZENO - S/T This is a 1986 and this guy is Ulrich Roth's brother, really good melodic hard rock
I just checked my copy of "synchronicity" (also RL on one side / eur 4 on both) and after looking at it was wondering if the vinyl itself isn't a reason for the sound as well: it is translucent. Is this quiex? were all copies pressed on this vinyl?
QUIEX vinyl i know Sung has some thoughts on the 'superiority' of Quiex vinyl. i'll wait for him to chime in. P.S. i recently found a VG++ copy of Donald Fagan's The Nightfly on Quiex vinyl for $1.00. i haven't yet A/B'd it with my other two non-Quiex 'RL' copies.
I was happily surprised to find I had an RL of Triumph's "Allied Forces". Sounded great to these ears! ---Matt
It is actully called: KC-600 vinyl(says on front cover with either the yellow or red sticker). Sample: http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-POLICE-SYNCHRONICITY-SEALED-NEW-UNUSED-KC-600VINYL_W0QQitemZ120026759689QQihZ002QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem it probably has the same type of vinyl mixture as "Quiex".
I was building a server at my desk and to pass the time while waiting for it to install, I compiled the list. So technically, I was working
Re: QUIEX vinyl Hi, Eddie. No, I am NOT gonna bite that bait, lol. Oh what the heck. You can all crucify me but I stand firm in my personal opinion that Quiex versions do not necessarily sound any better than the non-Quiex version. I once did an extensive A/B'ing using several copies of the regular and Quiex version of each of Dire Straits, Alchemy, Donald Fagen, Nightfly and 10,000 Maniacs, In My Tribe LPs. Some regular LPs were WLP but then some Quiex LPs were WLPs also. I basically had samples of every version. After wasting too much time, I came to the conclusion that no generalization can be made at all. Sometimes, a regular version even won the quietness-of-the-vinyl category. Go figure. Besides, usually the Quiex versions came out AFTER the earliest stampers of the regular versions (especially the WLPs) and I have found over the years that with everything else being equal and if the same reputable engineer is mastering both LPs, I prefer the earlier stamper most of the time. The difference may be ever so slight, but it is there and detectable over repeat listening.
Hey Eddie, I don't have the Lesley West Mountain LP (but I know someone who does - hafta check for RL there....), but I DO have a RL cut "Climbing!" - listening to it right now, matter o' fact. To be more precise: Side One deadwax has a Sterling stamp with LH etched and the Bestway stamp (pressing plant I guess). Side Two deadwax reads LH, Sterling, RL in that order again with the Bestway stamp. Purchased for all of $0.99! Though it looks pretty clean it's not as minty as I'd like so I'll be looking to upgrade someday. But the sound is pretty awesome. Happy hunting! ------- Chris
