Genesis Remix v. Orignal Clip...

Jamie:

We get it - you don't like the remixes.

 

World Of Genesis, we get it, you like EVERYTHING that Genesis does, even when they ruin perfectly good recordings!

 

Actually, you would be totally wrong. There are recordings Genesis has done that I do not love at all. If you took a moment to read my reviews of each album (located on my site), you would see that. In fact, I have critical comments on almost all of the albums.

Of course, these are general reviews with no A/B comparisons against the original Target Discs, and I did not include images of sound files, so they may not be of interest to you.

Dave

 

I didn't find this thread before. It was fun to hear that sample.

 

Thanks Jamie. I picked up the boxset 76-80 because I got it from Importcd's for $14. I listened to about 2 minutes of TOTT. It was painful. I figured for $14 it was worth it for some of the DVD footage. I love Genesis, I'll stick with my vinyl copies to listen to on my good system.

 

I'm just curious, do you have a theory on why they didn't make the albums sound like this back in the late 70s and early 80s? It's not like they needed today's technology to squash the music, they could have done it back then with the original mix and mastering.

 

Heavily compressed mixes are just the fashion of the day.

 

I just saw it as well. Incredibly bad, Jamie!

 

Not really; I am an audiophile and I enjoy my box set. Point? Oh hang on, it's subjective....

 

You mean the definition of "audiophile" is subjective...

 

au·di·o·phile
n. A person having an ardent interest in stereo or high-fidelity sound reproduction.

Peteham - I would say that Brother Rael's definition of "Audiophile" is not subjective... at least according to the dictionary.

Dave

 

I think that sums up this thread.

 

That's funny because back then I heard the most music on a transistor radio that was actually comparable to cheap mini speakers.

 

Precisely. I'm sure I would welcome these as alternate ways of hearing the albums if the harsh EQ and compression wasn't so amateurishly used. Admittedly the Raw Power remix is near impossible to listen to as well, and I can't say the decision made on that remix was really any better than the ones made here.

By all means it is the realization of what could have been and the ultimate disappointment that these CDs, IMO, sound worse than any of the many CDs and vinyl copies of these albums I've heard. There just simply isn't a good reason for that to have happened.

 

And Jamie has backed up his reasons for why he doesn't like them. I think Mr. Davis did a terrible job with the remixes. And I politely yet honestly stated so at the Genesis forum. Talk a bout a backlash reflected on me, not to mention blind worship towards someone who is probably a nice guy but did some terrible work.

 

No, I mean that the enjoyment of this, or any other boxset, is subjective and relevant only to the listener in question, or to a group of others who hold a similar opinion.

My point in quoting the earlier poster's comment was to merely present a counterpoint; someone who doesn't claim to be an audiophile who doesn't enjoy the boxes being presented - apparently - as some kind of proof positive about said items ("hey, it must be true!") against someone who is an audiophile and enjoys his boxset.

In other words, "it proves what, exactly...?". Exactly.

 

Of course, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think the "backlash" you probably got on the Genesis forum is nothing in comparison to the verbal berrating people who like the Genesis boxes get in this forum. I don't recall the specific thread on the Genesis list, but if you have a link, I'd be curious to read the comments.

I will agree that the discs are louder - no question (as are just about all CDs they are released now) and they definitely are not carbon copies of the originals - they are remixed - which is clearly marked on the packaging. If you cringe at the thought of them not being exactly as you remember or you shudder at the thought of the albums being louder, then you may not like them. That being said, I have found very few places (aside from here) where people have been disappointed with the boxes.

More importantly, its not like you had to return your older pressings to buy these new remixed versions. As many have said before, if you don't like them, its not like the original mixes haven't been on CD for 20-25 years.... just play them instead.

Over all, yes, I liked them. Are there one or two I don't care for as much as the original version? Sure. But if I want to revisit those older versions, I can. As can you. Overall, I think they sound fantastic, and its not like the band had no say in these titles. In fact, tell me how many other bands have put the same level of effort into their reissues? Where are those Beatles remasters, for example? Do you think McCa will throw on bootleg video and get George Martin or anyone else to remix the entire studio catalog in 5.1? Doubtful. How many rock reissues are even getting SACD treatment these days?

We all beg to differ, and that's totally fine. I'll listen to my boxes and you put yours on eBay. Consider the horse beaten and burried.

Dave

 

Mike Rutherford has said himself that he didn't get too involved with the mixing/mastering of these and left that all to Tony Banks. I was of the impression the same went for Phil.

For me, it's what you say that's most disappointing. You're right - it's amazing that Genesis would have a project like this greenlighted -- 5.1 mixes, tons of bonuses, etc. And while I understand you like the discs - and you're welcome to do so - it's the missed opportunity that pains me. If only it was what it *could* have been.

 

Ah, hated the remix of 'Raw Power', to my ears, they ruined the sound of the original, even with the drop-outs, it still sounded amazing. I'm still trying to track down an original pressing, as that's what my ears are used too! The only cd/5.1 off the 3rd box that I think is amazing is "The Lamb!" To me, it's worth the box!

 

Why are you lashing out at Jamie? I don't see where Jaimie has posted in any recent time prior to your post.

 

You took the words right out of my mouth.