Genesis - early CD versions thread

Any more comments on the two Live clips? Dr M?

 

They are both great but the Sanyo Japan is a bit smoother to my ears. Zal's has some EQ, as I believe I've discussed here. It's great but not quite as nice as the flat transfer on my Sonopress version.

 

Thank your for posting the samples.

I made a little shootout between samples from 3 different versions of Live. I started with 4 but the Atlantic and the Nimbus are indeed the same.

This is what I think:

The Nimbus/Atlantis has a fatter bottom end. Compared to the others it seems a little pumped up. I’m not longer sure this is a good thing.

The PDO/Sonopress 1 seems to have most tape hiss but to me it also sounds a little unfocused. I guess they used a higher generation tape as a source?

The Sanyo Japan disc seams to be slightly lowered in the top end making it sound a little closed in but apart from that very good.

I think I would rank them as follows:

1. Sanyo Japan/Sonopress 2
2. Nimbus/Atlantis
3. PDO/Sonopress 1

 

It is, and it's not just the bottom end. There is EQ in the upper mids which adds a nice kind of twang to Rutherford's bass, so this is really a question of taste, but it is there.

I'm happy with my Sonopress but I've lost track of which version I have. Can someone remind me what I have please?

 

Don't worry, you probably need to buy them ALL again, anyway!

As the owner of Sonopress 2, any chance you can post a clip of the ending of Get `Em Out By Friday so that Raf can determine if the Sanyo Japan and Sonopress 2 really are level-shifted versions of the same mastering?

 

Oh pooh!

 

Schweet. I do think this helps to add to what Black Elk (and all of us!) are doing.

I need to get better at this. I liked the US Atlantic, but I liked the V/C Sanyo Japan better (even though I really wanted to like the US version because I can't stand the cropped V/C covers ), and I couldn't even put my finger on why I liked the Sanyo Japan disc better...

(And, yup, I did miss the info in the older thread about where the Nimbus was identical to the U.S. Atlantic..., the EAC numbers, etc.)

 

Just got a Virgin megastore pressing of NC. Looks like we can add it to version #1:


Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track01.wav

Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 222B5987
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track02.wav

Peak level 52.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8BE97773
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track03.wav

Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 61D20B6E
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track04.wav

Peak level 98.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 40E68E15
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track05.wav

Peak level 92.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC FF4093C9
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track06.wav

Peak level 53.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 0DB61476
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\1\My Documents\My Music\Track07.wav

Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 1C7088AD
Copy OK

 

Hi everyone, I have two Virgin CDs: Genesis S/T and Invisible Touch.

The EMI Swindon Genesis S/T CD has "Manufactured by EMI" etched into the side of the case cover. The inner ring on the disc reads "786436 5:1:5 EMI Swindon". On the face of the disc it says "Manufactured in the UK" and above that is the numbering "00777 7 8646 2 3" The Catalog number on the case spine is Virgin/Charisma "GEN CD1" If you need anymore info, let me know. Here is the EAC log:

Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track01.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC B00180F2
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track02.wav

Peak level 97.6 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 92D14B7C
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track03.wav

Peak level 90.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 0B269326
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track04.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC AF430545
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track05.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC E21D243D
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track06.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC F1DF1D41
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track07.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC E39520E5
Copy OK

Track 8
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track08.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 00096538
Copy OK

Track 9
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track09.wav

Peak level 92.8 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 8A8883CC
Copy OK

 

OK, so now the Virgin pressing of Invisible Touch, Catalog Number Virgin Records "GEN CD 2" The inner ring reads "786360 2 @ 3" and on another part of the inner ring is some numbers etched into the ring without that "hologram effect" on the previous numbers. That etching is "2-4-6-NL" Above the Compact Disc logo on the disc face, there is the number "0777 7 86360 2 1" and below the CD logo is "BIEM/STEMRA" and "Manufactured in Holland" Here is the EAC log; again any clarification you need just ask.

Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track01.wav

Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC 2044B0AA
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track02.wav

Peak level 82.5 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC CCB8EDEB
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track03.wav

Peak level 77.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 96034929
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track04.wav

Peak level 92.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 3298FEC8
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track05.wav

Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Copy CRC EB001173
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track06.wav

Peak level 92.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 69336908
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track07.wav

Peak level 99.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 29824267
Copy OK

Track 8
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Desktop\Track08.wav

Peak level 73.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Copy CRC 749C6C2B
Copy OK

 

Since I posted these, I hope someone has these other copies so we can compare: Target, Vertigo, Atlantic, and alternate V/C for Genesis S/T. And then the Atlantic or an alternate Virgin for Invisible Touch. I'm speculating that for Invisible Touch and beyond, all the CDs will be digitally identical.

 

I have six versions of S/T: Atlantic, Target, Vertigo, V/C, alternate V/C, and Virgin Japan. But I have no idea how to do these peak value computer things.

 

1. Download EAC (free)

2. Insert CD

3. Go to Edit: Select All Tracks.

4. Go to Action: Test All Tracks.

Let it run until it beeps.

Save the log.

Done

 

I learn something new every day. I always extracted the tracks. I didn't know you coud do it this way. Probably a little faster.

 

How I wish there was a mac version.

 

Even if you're not into the technical side of EAC it's a great little program for ripping.

 

Much to my amusement, I just found the Atlantic Invisible Touch amongst my wife's CDs. Judging by the wavy inserts, I'd say she used to listen to this in the bath!! I just tried to open the booklet -- it's welded shut!!! I've no idea if it contains a mastering credit.

Anyway, here's the info:

Genesis - Invisible Touch - Atlantic 7 81641-2 - WEA Manufacturing
Matrix = 3 81641-2 SRC=12 ~~~ M2S5 (where ~ is used to denote space)

99.8 % - 75.7 % - 67.7 % - 80.6 % - 96.1 % - 87.7 % - 78.9 % - 82.5 %

And while we're at it, here's We Can't Dance too (at least, the first few tracks, the disc has a scratch that EAC can't get passed towards the end):

Genesis - We Can't Dance - Atlantic 7 82344-2 - WEA Manufacturing
Matrix = ARC ~~~ 3 82344-2 SRC=05 ~~~ *M4 S3 (and ~ = spaces)

97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.3 % - 97.2 % (tracks 10 to 12 missing)

 

Where do I get it?

 

http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/

 

Thanks guys.

Here's the data for the Virgin Japan issue of S/T which was released around the same time as the DE's. It actually has the same faceplate design as the DE's, so was obviously made to match the them, but I don't believe it was actually remastered like those nor does it have artwork similar to the DE's.

Track 1

Filename Track01.wav

Peak level 99.5 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC 191BC6F6
Copy OK

Track 2

Filename Track02.wav

Peak level 98.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC BFBA3F5C
Copy OK

Track 3

Filename Track03.wav

Peak level 89.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 5D30A919
Copy OK

Track 4

Filename Track04.wav

Peak level 99.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 6E409781
Copy OK

Track 5

Filename Track05.wav

Peak level 99.2 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC 8D4A9941
Copy OK

Track 6

Filename Track06.wav

Peak level 98.8 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC A893E74A
Copy OK

Track 7

Filename Track07.wav

Peak level 99.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 3EFF55D6
Copy OK

Track 8

Filename Track08.wav

Peak level 98.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 2A103CEB
Copy OK

Track 9

Filename Track09.wav

Peak level 91.5 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC A599C4C2
Copy OK

 

yesstiles: thanks for the post. I'm waiting eagerly for the Atlantic/Target/Vertigo -- I'm curious to see if any of these are clones.

BTW thanks for the Vertigo Three Sides Live: I'm loving it!

 

I can confirm that the black triangle Invisible Touch has the exact same peak levels as the ones you listed.

Label/Cat #: Virgin/Charisma 32VD-1023
Manufactured: Japan for Japan
Matrix Code: 32VD-1023 1A2 TO ("skinny" characters, added after data mastering)
Released: 7/23/1986

 

Just got a Lamb on Atco with a RE-1 in the matrix. Matches up except for a difference in track #3:

Track 1
Filename Track01.wav

Peak level 95.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 58E8934A
Copy OK

Track 2
Filename Track02.wav

Peak level 83.6 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC D87B7AAA
Copy OK

Track 3
Filename Track03.wav

Peak level 74.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC BC3D572C
Copy OK

Track 4
Filename Track04.wav

Peak level 61.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 713225A3
Copy OK

Track 5
Filename Track05.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 918334FD
Copy OK

Track 6
Filename Track06.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 557402B7
Copy OK

Track 7
Filename Track07.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC 75BF1513
Copy OK

Track 8
Filename Track08.wav

Peak level 61.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC B19E0E17
Copy OK

Track 9
Filename Track09.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 00560F4C
Copy OK

Track 10
Filename Track10.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC CAB3FCDC
Copy OK

Track 11
Filename Track11.wav

Peak level 97.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 3689D99F
Copy OK

 

Sorry to jump in at this point...

Here are the levels for

Genesis S/T Atlantic A2-80116

Track 1

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\01. Genesis - Mama.wav

Peak level 88.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 43C3B356
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 2

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\02. Genesis - That's All.wav

Peak level 75.6 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC F83C0287
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 3

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\03. Genesis - Home By The Sea.wav

Peak level 66.6 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8FC92C22
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 4

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\04. Genesis - Second Home By The Sea.wav

Peak level 76.7 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC F8263135
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 5

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\05. Genesis - Illegal Alien.wav

Peak level 77.7 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 1EF201FF
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 6

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\06. Genesis - Taking It All Too Hard.wav

Peak level 82.9 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 93D6E7E3
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 7

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\07. Genesis - Just A Job To Do.wav

Peak level 75.4 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC D5104735
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 8

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\08. Genesis - Silver Rainbow.wav

Peak level 78.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC B7AC608F
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

Track 9

Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Home_User\Desktop\09. Genesis - It's Gonna Get Better.wav

Peak level 85.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC C4545DB0
Track not present in AccurateRip database
Copy OK

 

yesstiles: I'm really curious to see if any of the other pressings of S/T you have match up. Would you mind posting them? I'm sure others are curious too. Thanks!