CSG Processed Mono Master?

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    Made me laugh again, all these years later.
     
  2. roda12

    roda12 WATERTOWN FOREVER

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    The Sinatra Cycles Mono version has the right channel of the stereo mix, cut to mono. It‘s a technical oddity. And an absolute dog. All you hear is the right channel.
    There is no true mono version of Cycles.
     
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  3. roda12

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  4. roda12

    roda12 WATERTOWN FOREVER

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    No, you won’t discover a gem! :laugh:
     
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  5. Luca

    Luca Wolf under sheep clothing

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    Well, listened to it today. It's a crappy mix: it's boxy, thiccckkkk and very dark. But still, it's better than the stereo version: at least it's not headache inducing!

    For 5 pounds, a welcome addition.
     
  6. roda12

    roda12 WATERTOWN FOREVER

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    But you only have the right channel.
     
  7. HGN2001

    HGN2001 Mystery picture member

    Better than the wrong channel!
     
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  8. Luca

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    It seems to me there's more than than. Meaning: I have tried to listen to both isolated channels of the stereo LP, and they are anemic. Empty sounding.

    This mono at least has meat on its bones. It's "different" from taking one channel from the stereo LP. It still sucks, but it sucks a bit less.
     
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  9. Luca

    Luca Wolf under sheep clothing

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    I am listening now to the US version of "Frank Sinatra's Greatest Hits Vol. 2" (original FS1034 pressing).

    A curiosity: it contains "Cycles", and it's a hugely superior mix to the CSG version on the original album! It sounds completely untampered to me, which means (contrarily to what many think) that the original master does NOT have CSG baked-in.

    Too hopeful to think that a similarly clean master exists somewhere for the other album tracks too?
     
  10. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    It could be that the master doesn't have CSG, or that the CSG was reversed for the GH LP.

    Having a "pure" master without CSG is ideal, but reversing it isn't a huge deal.
     
  11. Luca

    Luca Wolf under sheep clothing

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    It would seem very weird that in the early '70s Reprise would go to the pains of reversing the CSG for a cheap compilation, especially considering that they haven't done it for ANY other release.

    So this leaves me hope for a future untampered-with remaster!
     
  12. lukpac

    lukpac Senior Member

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    Not Reprise, but that happened with (at least) the copy of Wheels of Fire pressed by Columbia. It's not unprecedented.
     
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  13. Pelvis Ressley

    Pelvis Ressley Down in the Jungle Room

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    IIRC, Ultimate Sinatra contains "Cycles" with proper stereo imaging. Whether it's the original stereo mix sans CSG processing or a modern remix, I do not know.
     
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  14. HGN2001

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  15. roda12

    roda12 WATERTOWN FOREVER

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    The original Greatest Hits Vol.2 is one of the best sounding Reprise vinyls IMHO.
     
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  16. Luca

    Luca Wolf under sheep clothing

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    Yes, it's very nice!

    By comparison, there is a UK version with the same name.... but with a completely different tracklisting, and of inferior sound quality. Never understood the reason of Reprise releasing two very different compilations in the UK/Europe and US with the same title!

    UK version: Frank Sinatra - Greatest Hits, Vol. II
     
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