Bruce Springsteen "Born To Run" old CBS CD. Wow, it cannot be beat.

I looked and found this old chestnut (the spine is so sun-bleached that it is hard to read). You really get a sense of how loud CDs are these days when you compare it to the most recent version.

 

I always heard that the 35DP has pre-emphasis? If it the same mastering as the Japan for US - should that not have pre-emph as well?

VP

 

There's 35+ years of CD's and LP's of the original mix floating around. It's not like the original would be making the original unavailable. I'd just be interested in a fresh/alternate perspective on it. Same with The River...amazing albums, but both could use a fresh, made-from-scratch mix, not just a remaster. If they sucked, we'd all still have our old copies.

 

Beware PE for those of you with network music players. I use WaveEmph. There so many early CDs with stunning sound quality, so find a collector in your hood and enjoy the magic!

 

OK, Steve you did it now! Here we go again! Congrats to all who own this CD...

Ugly Pink anyone.

 

I have the Classic Records vinyl of Born to Run and think it sounds great
You can get one here
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370568263344

 

I am listening to the third mastering now (3. EAC levels: 93.5, 99.9, 86.4, etc.) and Bruce voice sounds great!

Mine is same mastering as yours (and it sounds great!) How does yours sound?

 

The 35DP is one of the first CD's I owned; got it for Christmas back in the 80's. Still have it.

 

I've compared the 1st and 3rd masterings a while back and they are different. The 3rd one has a lot more treble than the 35DP (1st one).

I never understood why people called this album "muddy" until I heard the 35DP. It's a lot muddier, but it sounds amazing.

Also note, the 35DP has pre-emphasis so when you rip it to iTunes or EAC or whatever, make sure you account for that. There's a great Audacity plug in somewhere on the web that de-emphasizes discs with pre-emphasis.

 

Thanks for the info!

 

I bought when it came out, as I insisted I have everything on CD. Until the latest remaster, it was what I listened to it on...the copy I burned for use at work. I'm a fan of the remaster as it brought to life, all the instruments that I thought had been buried. Especially on the title track. Having said that, I prefer "Jungleland" from the original CD. Steve's solo just blisters my speakers.

 

Actually, your CDCBS 80959 disc is the Japan-for-Europe issue. CK 33795 is the original U.S. catalog number.

 

I used to have the original issue, but returned it to the record store where I worked at the time, when the new "Made in the USA" version was released (even though the disc in the package was made in Japan). This was before I knew what was what, and always thought since they were now making the disc in the USA it must be better (since I remember the original sounding very muddy).

Obviously, in the past 10 or 15 years I have learned to never sell any old CD, even if I get the remastered version. But back in the 80's and early 90's, if I got a new version of a CD, the old one was either sold (or placed in returns when I exchanged the disc when I worked in a record store). Oh the folly of youth.

Anyway, I have what most would consider the "3rd" mastering of the disc.

 

What do you think of it?

 

Oh - so you expect me to actually listen to it. I will listen in the next day or so, as I'm listening to other stuff tonight.

 

Thanks.

 

Are you saying the disc with the "Made in the USA" packaging that you had/have says "Made in Japan"? Because the one I have says "Made in the USA". Would be interesting if there actually are Japan made discs with packaging that say "Made in the USA" for people hunting them down.

 

Yes, my disc is the initial version our record store got in that says "Now Made in the USA" on the back tray insert, but the disc inside clearly states Made In Japan on the disc itself (and appears to be a Japanese made disc). But it isn't the original mastering, as the peak levels match the 3rd pressing listed earlier in this thread.

 

I've never heard this wonderful album sound good, except for quiet parts (meeting, bits of jungleland)- its so frustrating. The Hammersmith Backstreets and Jungleland are so much better.

However, I've never, ever heard a bad sounding LP or CD of the equally great WIESS!

 

Hmmm George. Yes his voice sounds more "there" than in later remasters. A bit bright for me, but it sure sounds untampered-with and there's plenty of detail. (I don't have the earlier CD to compare with, but the difference between the tracks on this and the compressed remasters on Gr Hits is like chalk & cheese.) My call is that it's the same master, with amplitude individually boosted on the quieter tracks. No apparent limiting however.

There's only so much remaster tinkering you can do with this album: the inherent problems lie in the mix. Most who attempted stereo Wall Of sound in the 70s screwed up, and BTR is no exception.

 

Even more interesting... thanks!

 

Interesting. Out of curiosity what are the matrix numbers because on the list you refer to there is no Japan for U.S. pressing other than the first pressing? Also does you copy specifically say "Made in Japan"? I just acquired a cheapo copy of an Amazon seller that supposedly says "Manufactured in Japan by CBS/Sony, Tokyo, Japan... 1975..." but I won't know the peak levels until I get it.

 

The solo is by Brucie.

Also, does anyone know why Danny is almost completely absent from this album? IIRC, he's only on the '74 title track session.

 

Matrix number - CK-33795-V1E13

The disc at the bottom states "Made in Japan" silk screened right on the disc.

 

You have a JVC pressing, which was pressed after DADC was the primary. The tray inlay was printed under assumption that a DADC pressing would be used.