any Led Zep projects in the works?

most rock stars maintain a respectful distance from their fans . . . they think most of them are kooks, and rightly so . . . can you imagine someone approaching him about waveforms and clipping?

 

Slightly off topic, but for those who are not familiar with the coffee table sized book "Whole Lotta Led Zeppelin" by Jon Beam, read it. Breathtakingly beautiful and informative.

 

BATH 1970 was multitracked. Their waiting for the jumbotron footage to surface since it's not in the bands collection.

A Page approved magazine(Uncut double priced special 2006ish issue devoted solely to Zep) had a first time mentions that an unbooted Paris 1969 show was multitracked and kept in the band archive.

 

masswriter,
If it could be done in a controlled manner and people could be screened in some fashion, I can't see why it couldn't work. Obviously, you wouldn't want the "boxers or briefs" crowd in among the knowledgeable ones.

 

The 10/10/69 Paris Olympia show (recorded by French radio) surfaced last year. Perhaps another uncirculated show is in the archives? As far as I know, it has never been confirmed whether or not Bath was indeed multitracked, although rumors persist that it was. I don't remember the specifics about the Bath footage, but it does exist and Page is apparently very well aware of who has it. It is also unknown if it is complete and how good the picture quality is.

 

Haven't some BATH audio clips turned up? Though it may only be mono soundboard.

I've also heard a rumour that the original director of TSRTS is sitting on a bunch of 70-73 Zep footage. Him and Page had a falling out during the editing of the movie and never gave back the raw footage. This is one theory why the movie had some many "holes".

Claude Nobs may have audio/video from the 2-3 Montreux visits by Zep circa 69-71. Never been confirmed or denied, but photos don't show a camera near the stage. CN collected pro-shot, pro-recorded Montreux shows from 68 onwards.

Another Zep oddity is a marathon fairport Convention show in LA in the early 70's Zep did many songs with them and all was recorded for a live album. Probably in a record label archive. Should be a very messy legal web.

 

Thanks for that. I'm skeptical of the How the East Was Won rumour as the Japan '72 shows are very similar to the LA Forum/Long Beach stuff on HTWWW. Similar setlist and performances with Plant much worse for wear.

Speaking of Japan '71 the famous tape of the 9/29 Osaka show is usually referred to as a rough SB recording or an aud recording made with 2 mics on near the stage but that can't be right. There are sections in the acoustic set that have stuff mixed hard left, center and hard right which pretty well proves it is a multitrack recording. It is really unbalenced in spots though. I think it is either a very generated copy of a poor mixdown reel or 2 channels of the multitracks (save for the acoustic portion mentioned above).

 

There is a wretched-sounding audience tape.

 

Definitely not a multitrack recording.

 

Joe Massot may still have film, but he settled with the band and Peter Grant during the 70's in which he delivered the film he was holding. Most likely, he isn't sitting reels of film even if he indeed did not hand everything over. Regardless, it was only of the Madison Square Garden performances. Aside from Royal Albert Hall and Bath (1970) and Madison Square Garden (1973), no other pro-shot footage exists from the early 70's.

Yes, currently Bath audio is sadly only available from a wretched-sounding audience tape.

 

Yeah I know, I was noting that the performance in question may have actually surfaced last year in nice sound quality. Still, if that is the radio show that the band has multitracks for, a nice, professionally produced and mixed release would be a welcomed addition to the Zeppelin catalogue.

 

Didn't Massot film Zep earlier than MSG?

I also thought it was weird that a "cutting copy" was used as a bonus on the TSRTM DVD but not the original footage.

Isn't there a possibility of Bill Graham footage or the single 1973 show(Baltimore or Pittsburgh outdoor gig?) that had a jumboscreen in the US?

 

I keep hearing that, but I've seen nothing to substantiate it. I have Earls Court boots that have solid medium shots of the band, overhead shots down on Bonham, etc. - and those boots work just fine (plenty of variation). Granted, the material might not be easy to work with, but there's clearly enough there to be salvaged for a complete release (even if they have to chop and change imagery from different shows).

The only thing apparent from the 2003 DVD is that, for whatever reason, John Paul Jones was left on the cutting room floor in the Earls Court section (I think there's only ONE shot of him with the upright bass during the entirety of 'Bron-Y-Aur Stomp').

Less footage available overall of Jones than Page and Plant? Almost certainly. But does there exist more footage of Jones than they cared to intercut and include on the DVD? Almost certainly.

 

I think it's obvious that Page kept the door open for stand alone releases of Earl's and Knebworth in the future. Especially if they figure out Ten Years Gone Knebworth which had a technical problem but is worth admission price alone.

JPJ may have asked to have limited face time. I think he likes the fact he probably walk thru a LZ convention and not get recognized.

Does the raw footage exist of Earl's court, or was it just the live edit on one videotape? Some of the Bonham camera angles had to be taken from his drum solo and placed in other songs.

 

A) Regarding Jones, maybe he did request less screen time. I can understand the cameras being trained on Page and Plant, but one feels that there must surely be more Jones footage than was used.

B) Yes, I assume some intercut footage of Bonham for the DVD was taken from his drum solos. But even during 'Bron-Y-Aur Stomp', there are slight angle overhead shots of Bonham contributing vocals and castanets, even with consistent footage of all the other band members. Indeed, that song itself utilises at least 4 camera angles. Perhaps they had only 2 cameras, but positioned them differently each night? (Which doesn't really make sense.)

 

A jumbotron at Bath!? I've never heard that before.

As for Earls Court, much of the criticism of the footage is that it doesn't really give any indication of the scope of the show of the size of the space. It's all close-up and stage focused. It could almost be a staged performance at a film studio, as is the case with a lot of TSRTS footage. Most people who were at EC will tell you it had the feeling of a big event. This was the big American mid-70s Led Zeppelin show in the UK at last with the big lights, etc., yet you don't get that vibe at all. Although the Knebworth footage on the DVD was also jumbotron, the cameras checked out the audience more, and filmed from behind the band more, took longer shots and gave the whole thing a bigger look. Then of course there are more bootleg clips interspersed. When you see those audience shots of the huge screens behind the tiny performers onstage, you really get a sense of how big that show really was.

 

http://www.oldbuckeye.com/prox/holygrail.html

This is an interesting read, even thought it's at least a decade old.

 

If the film is from the jumbotron, I would expect it to be mostly close-ups. That's what the people in back are missing, the close up shots.

 

I don't think anyone denied that it was not filmed or that the film existed. However the band said that the film used was not the correct type or something like that and hence it came out to dark. They said it was destroyed but I doubt that they destroyed it. It makes sense that they would have kept it. Same with those Japan 71 tapes they said they destroyed...

I've never seen any photos of Bath showing a jumbotron. The only rumours I've heard is that the footage shot was too dark to use.

There was a nice sounding Heartbreaker I beleive but that's about it. Not sure of the source.

As for MSG, the reason they had so many holes is that the director screwed up the filming. His crew failed to get many shots hence all those fantasy sequences. I never heard your theory before to be honest.

Yes I don't think that title was ever a serious consideration for release. I think someone said it in jest (a fan) and it carried on.

No I don;t think so. He came on board just for this project. The only thing he shot other than MSG is some non concert footage from Pittsburgh.

Eddie

 

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/bathvideo.html

They had video cameras at bath 1970

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/sitebath.html

Here's a photo of the 2 projection screens with real time B&W video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vne-Sf9AXJk

Jumbotron linefeed of Pink Floyd doing Atom Heart Mother. Same weekend as Zep in 1970. Crap quality may only be reflective of a primitive recording and may not be video master.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djZwgJ37Lx0

Immigrant Song in it's public debut to open the Zeppelin set at bath 1970. Horrendous quality audience recording of the whole show. Consider yourself a hardcore fan if you can sit thru the 3 minute clip.

 

Actually I did read about Massot holding onto some film. IIRC, it was in chris Welch's excellent book on Peter Grant, where the TSRTS film is discussed at length. Reading that truly gave me an idea of just what a fiasco that whole endeavor really was. It's amazing it came out as well as it did.

 

Thanks for your input
I've noticed that too

7 - The Japan '71 Soundboard Tapes
(Professional Multi-track Recordings from The Seven Japanese Concerts of September, 1971)

WOW!
it's the first time I read that. I strongly believe it Jimmy release a 3 CD set (and hopefully a 5.1 DVD as well!) will remain as the best Zep Live album ever.


this would worth alone the project
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDOBPNLSv78

 

That would be cool indeed. However, don't get too excited. Remember it's not just Jimmy involved here. Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, and Pat Bonham have to agree to anything released under the name "Led Zeppelin."

 

Fiasco? You're being kind!

It was a mess. It's a real shame they did not get a more experienced director to do it. I think money had something to do it with IMO.

Eddie

 

I still wonder why No Quarter wasn't include. It shows Jonesy as a beautiful and talented pianist. And of course the cameras show him all the time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nSFNtws-g&feature=related

from all those holy grails, now 10 years gone it's clear the greatest would be all the pro-shot video or multitracked audio 1969-1971 still waiting to see the light