1st impressions of the JPN 2-Track, 35DP-4 (Wish You Were Here)

No problem. The scan just looked so familiar.

 

I have 35DP copies of Wish You Were Here with and without the gold tone. Both have the original CBS/Sony-style crude matrix code, which is not the type shown in dbz's picture above. I also have a copy with the neater matrix code like the one in dbz's scan. In fact, I think that disc is the one shown in the picture adhoc posted.

Given the different matrix code fonts, I would guess that the discs were not all pressed at the same time. However, I have not noticed a mastering difference between them.

The gold tone always puzzeled me. It is only on the label side. I guess CBS/Sony thought it added style points.

 

Kevin

Its not mine-I have just saved most of the ones that have been posted previously. If its yours-then I am sure the forum members are thankful and and owe you a beer. I can't take any credit because I don't have this version (I have the original Japan for japan-but Fumi asked specifically for the one showing the matrix number!). I also have other scans of the Japan for USA but unfortunately they are on my work computer and I am not. Most are available in different WYWH threads and of course the pinkfloydscanz website. Even the classifieds is a good place to collect these interesting pictures..so one knows what to look for!.. but I repeat, they are not my scans, simply saved for reference purposes

 

I guess this is a system-dependent kind of thing, but at around 6k or so the Mastersound has a little too much "bite" for me, on my system. It also has kind of a thick bottom end, so I couldn't really describe it as "thin". The MS Gold basically has kind of a "loud" quality to it, for me, but I know I'm not describing it well.

Anyway, if the Mastersound Gold sounds "just right" to you (sorry about the abundance of quotation marks) then you may find the 35DP-4 to be a bit underwhelming when you hear it.

 

I agree. With my setup 35DP-4 is airy (in a bad way). Personally I like JPN Mini LP the best out of mastersound, 35DP-4, and miniLP. To me Mini LP sounds like the same exact EQ as mastersound just slightly less harsh in some way - maybe a slightly better gain staging or signal chain.

 

Thanks. That`s a great scan. However, now I am a little confused. Are both this scan and the one posted earlier both "2 Track" Versions?

Regards

 

This is a result of the compression which was applied to the Mastersound version. Here's the wave form from Shine On...

 

Another interesting tradeoff I noticed between the MS Gold and the 35DP 4 was that, although the Mastersound is punchy and vividly detailed, the 35DP 4 seems to have better separation between instruments, at least the way I'm hearing it. Just listening to the title track, the bass, acoustic guitars, piano, vocals...are all clearly distinguishable from one another. On the MS, the details seem to reside mostly in the high end, while the individual voices in the track are not as clearly distinctive, if that makes any sense.

Timbre/separation, detail/impact...it's really too bad we couldn't have all these qualities on one disc.

 

I can't recall because I've had the 35DP for over a year now and sold the Mastersound when I got it. Perhaps someone who owns it can tell us, but IIRC AAD.

 

I believe you have stubmled upon the breath of life. Do you hear how they seem to hang in mid air in an almost 3 dimensional way like an instrument would being played in a room with you?

 

Yes, they are both the two-track version. The disc with the black paint coating, is the original Japanese release with catalog number 35DP 4. The disc without the black paint coating is the original Japanese pressing for the U.S. market with catalog number CK 33453. Both discs have the same two-track mastering.

 

there is miniLP if anyone cares.

I'll post the others later I guess. 35DP-4 is undersaturated in my opinion though. global peak being -1.4dB.

 

35DP-4
-1.5 peak



Harvest Black Face


1 instance of clipping/compression



JPN miniLP


clips/compresses 2 times



Mastersound


You can count the clipping yourself I'm too lazy



So uh yeah pick your poison. To me 35DP-4 just sounds really weak in the bass and just as bad in the high end (around 7kHz) as any of these. The rest seem to be about the same EQ wise except Harvest Black is less hyped around 1kHz.

I personally think the resonance around 7kHz is just the way DGs guitar was mixed but I'm just guessing.

 

I'd really like to get hold of a copy of the DP34...

 

Hi fumi, I'm guessing you mean the 35DP 4 yes?

 

Yes, the 35DP 4. I'm after a mint physical copy. I often check eBay but according to you guys on here it doesn't make an appearance too often.

Regards

 

If it was ADD, it would be a remix...

 

I dunno...every once in awhile one pops up on Ebay. Here's one auction that finished just recently on 11/26/06:

http://cgi.ebay.com/PINK-FLOYD-WISH-YOU-WERE-HERE-RARE-JAPAN-FOR-USA-CD_W0QQitemZ120055852250QQihZ002QQcategoryZ307QQcmdZViewItem

End price was only...$183. A real bargain by Ebay standards.

 

That auction was for the original Japanese pressing for the U.S. market with catalog number CK 33453 and with "35DP-4" in the matrix code. I believe that fumi is looking for the original Japanese release with catalog number 35DP 4. In reality, he should take whichever one he can find. I've compared the two, and they sound identical.

 

What about the 1992/94 Capitol remaster by Doug Sax (CDP 7243 8 29750 2 1)? Anyone know what is it sourced from? ...or the black-face Harvest issue?

Thanks!

 

Esa

I think the Black faced harvest is the same version as the second 32DP pressing from japan. As for the Remaster..well some people think there was no work done of the remasters as they sound the same. A search will confirm this but here is one such thread...
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=84400

 

I'd be surprised if the black-face Harvest and 32DP discs were the same since they are from different labels. I've never compared them, though.

 

Good point Keith, the Harvest black face has a mixed reaction on here as I have seen it said that it sounds horrid, but I remember it being pleasant and very similar to the CK USA pressing which must share the same mastering as 32DP. It was certainly nicer than the UK silver face!

 

Wow. Someone used the word "horrid" for the black-faced Harvets version of WYWH? That would be a first. Until this post, I was under the impression that there really hasn't been a truly bad-sounding version of this on CD. I wonder what they did to screw it up so bad?

Kevin