The Beatles complete catalog remaster in 2006? - Page 7

MMM · 01-02-2006, 11:27 AM

No, but you do get the result in some ways of his being "self-assured".

Beatlelennon65 · 01-02-2006, 12:19 PM

I dont have to deal with him and I dont want to deal with him. I just wish he came off a little cooler.

Paul_Nyman · 01-02-2006, 01:33 PM

I'm not jumping off topic with this:

Apple didn't care about a mail petition I was part of to convince them to release a Badfinger "Rarities" collection in 2000. Ron Furmanek mentioned recently in another thread that he compiled material and it's still sitting on the shelf unreleased today.

Read post # 25 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...highlight=game

I'd love to have the whole Beatles catalog remastered right and only right. Please somebody out there at Apple give Steve the job. Enough already! If Neil is in the early stages of retiring and not interested in the future of the Beatles music get someone creative and with some integrity.

Tubeman · 03-12-2006, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul_Nyman

I'm not jumping off topic with this:

Apple didn't care about a mail petition I was part of to convince them to release a Badfinger "Rarities" collection in 2000. Ron Furmanek mentioned recently in another thread that he compiled material and it's still sitting on the shelf unreleased today.

Read post # 25 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...highlight=game

I'd love to have the whole Beatles catalog remastered right and only right. Please somebody out there at Apple give Steve the job. Enough already! If Neil is in the early stages of retiring and not interested in the future of the Beatles music get someone creative and with some integrity.

Peter Mew

Taurus · 01-02-2006, 04:39 PM

I guess I'll bring up this issue: does anybody else think that some of the hold up for remastering the catalog was to see which hi-res format "won"? And, to see if surround music/hi-res had any commercial viability?

While I believe remastering an album can get some people to buy the same music again, considering how many people no longer care about sound quality (or even owning a half-way decent component system to play their music on) I would think the marketing people would be trying to come up with additional content to help sell the catalog. Surround could be part of that, but it's obvious they don't consider it to be that important judging by most labels' lack of promotion for it. But bonus tracks and video extras are usually popular extras for a lot of people, and we all know how much Beatles imagery is available. An enhanced CD could contain such material but video quality is usually pretty sucky and also, you're chained to your computer to be able to see it. And space for bonus tracks would be reduced.

A DualDisc would fit the bill for these features, but I really can't imagine that EMI or other interested parties would go along with a format-for one of the best known set of musical works on the planet-that has a proven track record of not working in all playback hardware.

Of course with hybrid sacd you could include a separate dvd of the video material with Dolby/DTS surround options for the music tracks for people who own only a dvd-video based 5.1 system. But what about all the royalties for all these different track formats spread across two discs featuring the same music? Depeche Mode's latest album is available this way and is quite pricey.

So that leaves a CD+dvd-*****

package. And those cases that the EMI/DTS Signature Series dvd-audio discs come in feature a hub tall enough to accomodate two discs. Then there's that classy Guero deluxe edition two disc packaging w/50 page booklet. Hmm.

Or all this speculation was a waste of time & they'll just come out with a remastered CD in (I hope) better packaging and artwork on the disc itself.

Joe Koz · 01-02-2006, 05:04 PM

OK, I'm going to try this again!

The original single version of "The Ballad Of John & Yoko," had a cold ending. The original LP version had the same ending, but it faded.

Single Version

LP version

Joe Koz · 01-02-2006, 05:54 PM

It seems the CD age changed the rules when it comes to "The Ballad Of John And Yoko."

My Japanese 45 singles vinyl box set (which is mostly stereo) plays the cold ending. However, the other day I checked my U.K. CD-3 single and it plays the album version!

Use to be easy...

**Lord Hawthorne** · 01-02-2006, 06:42 PM

I listened to my 5" and 3" discs of the Beatles Singles Collection, and they all use the same subdued ending as the Past Masters CD. It is not as faded as the Hey Jude album, but it is subdued. It is not subdued on these bootlegs: The Beatles Singles Collection (Millenium Remasters), The Beatles UK Singles Collection Vol 2 (Doctor Ebbetts), The US Singles Collection (Millenium Remasters).

Stateless · 01-03-2006, 06:30 AM

Another one from the rumor mill. Take it for what it's worth. This was posted on whatgoeson.com....

Rumor: New Beatles album in 2006
(from DGKBlog)

I've overheard a few people talking about an upcoming newest "new" release from The Beatles. Rumor has it that McCartney is behind this 'in the works' project, but is working hard to keep it secret until closer to release date.

The CD is reportedly called 'The Beatles: HEAVY' and is a collection of classic harder and weightier Beatles tunes beginning with the great guitar wrencher: 'She's so heavy', followed by a genius mix of cuts from Abbey Road, The White Album and other post '67 recordings, including at least one previously unreleased song.

From what I've heard this is expected to be the biggest thing from The Beatles (music quality wise) since their break-up, possibly surpassing the Anthology collection. Unfortunately aside from these rumors from a couple of self proclaimed 'insiders' I haven't found any more information.

Published January 2, 2006

Lance Hall · 01-03-2006, 07:15 AM

"Beatles - HEAVY"?

Oh! Now THAT sounds like a neato idea, especially if the tracks are remixed to really emphasise guitars and drums. Don't have a clue what the "unreleased" track would be, certainly not the lame Anthology take of "Helter Skelter".

brainwashed · 01-03-2006, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonderwall

Another one from the rumor mill. Take it for what it's worth. This was posted on whatgoeson.com....

Rumor: New Beatles album in 2006
(from DGKBlog)

I've overheard a few people talking about an upcoming newest "new" release from The Beatles. Rumor has it that McCartney is behind this 'in the works' project, but is working hard to keep it secret until closer to release date.

The CD is reportedly called 'The Beatles: HEAVY' and is a collection of classic harder and weightier Beatles tunes beginning with the great guitar wrencher: 'She's so heavy', followed by a genius mix of cuts from Abbey Road, The White Album and other post '67 recordings, including at least one previously unreleased song.

From what I've heard this is expected to be the biggest thing from The Beatles (music quality wise) since their break-up, possibly surpassing the Anthology collection. Unfortunately aside from these rumors from a couple of self proclaimed 'insiders' I haven't found any more information.

Published January 2, 2006

I chimed in on the companion thread about this. Needless to say, the track listing mentioned there was pure foilly. However, I'm confused when you say it's "expected to be the biggest thing from the Beatles music quality wise since the break-up, possibly surpassing the Anthology collection". Did you actually mean, contents-wise? Surely the tracks on Anthology were not intended to be high quality audio-wise, the main selling point was to include previously unavailable songs, mixes and live recordings. It would be a shame if the Beatles latest archival project was another concept collection....as I mentioned before...none of them approved of Love Songs, Rock & Roll Music , Rarities or even the Red and Blue Lp's.....hmmmm

Stateless · 01-03-2006, 04:00 PM

Sorry, I missed that HEAVY thread...Didn't mean to repeat the info. I can see them putting out a 2 album before anything like Heavy. Again, my money is on 2007 for the catalog.

MMM · 01-03-2006, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainwashed

...none of them approved of Love Songs, Rock & Roll Music , Rarities or even the Red and Blue Lp's.....hmmmm

I thought George had something to do with the songs on the "Red" and/or "Blue" sets. I seem to remember seeing pictures (in some Beatles book I can't remember the title of at the moment) of handwritten notes of George's, listing songs for this project.

MMM · 01-03-2006, 08:26 PM

It's too bad about the NoNoise on the Songtrack...

Maybe they got the idea for the HEAVY title/compilation due to the Lennon ACOUSTIC set?

Handwritten notes w/titles... maybe my memory was of notes for foreign Beatles EP's (Mexican?) that George came up with? It's been a while...

Beatlelennon65 · 01-03-2006, 09:13 PM

Sean- Well put, if a bit optimistic. I hope you are right.

Sean Murdock · 01-03-2006, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beatlelennon65

Sean- Well put, if a bit optimistic. I hope you are right.

Probably too optimistic, I know, but I just have a nagging feeling that they KNOW that screwing up the Beatles LPs AGAIN would be apocalyptic to Fab fandom, and I think they are treading very lightly. I can only applaud that if it's true.

We can call "Songtrack" and "1" and "Naked" et al. "superfluous" releases, but to me they serve the important role of DELAYING the possible crimes they COULD commit to the "real" albums. They're basically making Beatles mixtapes, and using them to play with the technology. Let them "play" with these sidebar CDs, until they figure out how to "work" on the real things.

Jim Foy · 01-04-2006, 04:53 AM

Branwashed wrote:
"On a related note, Harrison also assembled a slightly different version of Live At The BBC...I'm not sure where he differed song or dialogue-wise, but there's a boot out there with his version of it. Ron"

The biggest difference (aprat from the running order) is that George included excellent versions of 'P.S. I Love You' and 'Twist And Shout'.
Unfortunately they didn't make the official release but luckily the boot is out there ...

brainwashed · 01-04-2006, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Foy

Branwashed wrote:
"On a related note, Harrison also assembled a slightly different version of Live At The BBC...I'm not sure where he differed song or dialogue-wise, but there's a boot out there with his version of it. Ron"

The biggest difference (aprat from the running order) is that George included excellent versions of 'P.S. I Love You' and 'Twist And Shout'.
Unfortunately they didn't make the official release but luckily the boot is out there ...

Thanks Jim!!! Didn't he also include more dialogue? I remember hearing the boot you mentioned and thought the chat was more complete and humorous. Thankfully, I have the version of PSILY on another boot...it is very nice with a sweet-sounding guitar ending...and the quality is superb. Ron

bluesbro · 01-04-2006, 07:30 AM

Thinking that EMI is in anyway worried about whether they can do the remasters right or not is absurd. They only care about money. If it wasnt for Apple, EMI would have issued each album in mono,stereo, fake sterero, SACD, DVD-A, dualdisc, etc by now. They refrain to do it because Apple, the Beatles and Co., dont want to it and forbid EMI to issue any remasters. Why the Beatles dont want to remaster the catalogue after 20 years is anybody's guess. Probably the answer is just what Neil Aspinall has said before, remastering the catalogue involves spending money, and why do it if the Beatles CDs are still selling? A few audiophiles may be complaining, but how many are there? The general public is happy with the remastering done in 1987, they dont know any better. And again guys, with the Beatles suing EMI for royalties last month, all hopes for new product this year went out the window.

lobo · 01-04-2006, 09:01 AM

'scuse me Sirs, but Apple/EMI experimenting with remastering technology to get it right, and therefore we have to wait for Beatles remasters? That's ridiculous. It's their job, there is no experimenting needed. Of course they know how to remaster the fabalogue (be it Capitol-style, 1-style or YS-style), but there is no need to do it. They are selling their stuff. Publish from time to time a little remix to keep the public interested and don't care with the remastering. It's that easy.

Yes, I also want good sounding remasters, but I think you're on the safer side getting some good needle-drops or anthology remixes or whatever you like.

01-02-2006, 11:27 AM	#1
MMM Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi, New Jersey Posts: 9,757	No, but you do get the result in some ways of his being "self-assured". __________________ Martin Melucci http://www.doowopusa.org/ Promoting & preserving the Mid Century Modern architecture, spirit, & character of The Wildwoods http://www.doowopusa.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

01-02-2006, 05:04 PM	#6
Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 10,834	OK, I'm going to try this again! The original single version of "The Ballad Of John & Yoko," had a cold ending. The original LP version had the same ending, but it faded. Single Version LP version __________________ Joe Koz of the Bone Family..... One of the infamous Chicago Four

01-02-2006, 05:54 PM	#7
Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 10,834	It seems the CD age changed the rules when it comes to "The Ballad Of John And Yoko." My Japanese 45 singles vinyl box set (which is mostly stereo) plays the cold ending. However, the other day I checked my U.K. CD-3 single and it plays the album version! Use to be easy... __________________ Joe Koz of the Bone Family..... One of the infamous Chicago Four

01-02-2006, 06:42 PM	#8
Lord Hawthorne ...the Once Red, but Now Gort! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 11,993	I listened to my 5" and 3" discs of the Beatles Singles Collection, and they all use the same subdued ending as the Past Masters CD. It is not as faded as the Hey Jude album, but it is subdued. It is not subdued on these bootlegs: The Beatles Singles Collection (Millenium Remasters), The Beatles UK Singles Collection Vol 2 (Doctor Ebbetts), The US Singles Collection (Millenium Remasters). __________________ What if the hokey-pokey really is what it's all about?

01-03-2006, 08:26 PM	#14
MMM Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lodi, New Jersey Posts: 9,757	It's too bad about the NoNoise on the Songtrack... Maybe they got the idea for the HEAVY title/compilation due to the Lennon ACOUSTIC set? Handwritten notes w/titles... maybe my memory was of notes for foreign Beatles EP's (Mexican?) that George came up with? It's been a while... __________________ Martin Melucci http://www.doowopusa.org/ Promoting & preserving the Mid Century Modern architecture, spirit, & character of The Wildwoods http://www.doowopusa.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl

01-02-2006, 12:19 PM	#2
Beatlelennon65 Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pepperland of course! Posts: 5,972	I dont have to deal with him and I dont want to deal with him. I just wish he came off a little cooler.

01-02-2006, 01:33 PM	#3
Paul_Nyman Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 394	I'm not jumping off topic with this: Apple didn't care about a mail petition I was part of to convince them to release a Badfinger "Rarities" collection in 2000. Ron Furmanek mentioned recently in another thread that he compiled material and it's still sitting on the shelf unreleased today. Read post # 25 http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/sh...highlight=game I'd love to have the whole Beatles catalog remastered right and only right. Please somebody out there at Apple give Steve the job. Enough already! If Neil is in the early stages of retiring and not interested in the future of the Beatles music get someone creative and with some integrity.

01-02-2006, 04:39 PM	#5
Taurus Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 4,644	I guess I'll bring up this issue: does anybody else think that some of the hold up for remastering the catalog was to see which hi-res format "won"? And, to see if surround music/hi-res had any commercial viability? While I believe remastering an album can get some people to buy the same music again, considering how many people no longer care about sound quality (or even owning a half-way decent component system to play their music on) I would think the marketing people would be trying to come up with additional content to help sell the catalog. Surround could be part of that, but it's obvious they don't consider it to be that important judging by most labels' lack of promotion for it. But bonus tracks and video extras are usually popular extras for a lot of people, and we all know how much Beatles imagery is available. An enhanced CD could contain such material but video quality is usually pretty sucky and also, you're chained to your computer to be able to see it. And space for bonus tracks would be reduced. A DualDisc would fit the bill for these features, but I really can't imagine that EMI or other interested parties would go along with a format-for one of the best known set of musical works on the planet-that has a proven track record of not working in all playback hardware. Of course with hybrid sacd you could include a separate dvd of the video material with Dolby/DTS surround options for the music tracks for people who own only a dvd-video based 5.1 system. But what about all the royalties for all these different track formats spread across two discs featuring the same music? Depeche Mode's latest album is available this way and is quite pricey. So that leaves a CD+dvd-***** package. And those cases that the EMI/DTS Signature Series dvd-audio discs come in feature a hub tall enough to accomodate two discs. Then there's that classy Guero deluxe edition two disc packaging w/50 page booklet. Hmm. Or all this speculation was a waste of time & they'll just come out with a remastered CD in (I hope) better packaging and artwork on the disc itself.

01-03-2006, 06:30 AM	#9
Stateless Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,156	Another one from the rumor mill. Take it for what it's worth. This was posted on whatgoeson.com.... Rumor: New Beatles album in 2006 (from DGKBlog) I've overheard a few people talking about an upcoming newest "new" release from The Beatles. Rumor has it that McCartney is behind this 'in the works' project, but is working hard to keep it secret until closer to release date. The CD is reportedly called 'The Beatles: HEAVY' and is a collection of classic harder and weightier Beatles tunes beginning with the great guitar wrencher: 'She's so heavy', followed by a genius mix of cuts from Abbey Road, The White Album and other post '67 recordings, including at least one previously unreleased song. From what I've heard this is expected to be the biggest thing from The Beatles (music quality wise) since their break-up, possibly surpassing the Anthology collection. Unfortunately aside from these rumors from a couple of self proclaimed 'insiders' I haven't found any more information. Published January 2, 2006

01-03-2006, 07:15 AM	#10
Lance Hall Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Fort Worth, Texas Posts: 647	"Beatles - HEAVY"? Oh! Now THAT sounds like a neato idea, especially if the tracks are remixed to really emphasise guitars and drums. Don't have a clue what the "unreleased" track would be, certainly not the lame Anthology take of "Helter Skelter".

01-03-2006, 04:00 PM	#12
Stateless Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,156	Sorry, I missed that HEAVY thread...Didn't mean to repeat the info. I can see them putting out a 2 album before anything like Heavy. Again, my money is on 2007 for the catalog.

01-03-2006, 09:13 PM	#15
Beatlelennon65 Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Pepperland of course! Posts: 5,972	Sean- Well put, if a bit optimistic. I hope you are right. __________________ "I gotta go interogate Jesus the rabbit."

01-04-2006, 04:53 AM	#17
Jim Foy Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 680	Branwashed wrote: "On a related note, Harrison also assembled a slightly different version of Live At The BBC...I'm not sure where he differed song or dialogue-wise, but there's a boot out there with his version of it. Ron" The biggest difference (aprat from the running order) is that George included excellent versions of 'P.S. I Love You' and 'Twist And Shout'. Unfortunately they didn't make the official release but luckily the boot is out there ...

01-04-2006, 07:30 AM	#19
bluesbro Forum Hall of Shame Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: DC Posts: 6,355	Thinking that EMI is in anyway worried about whether they can do the remasters right or not is absurd. They only care about money. If it wasnt for Apple, EMI would have issued each album in mono,stereo, fake sterero, SACD, DVD-A, dualdisc, etc by now. They refrain to do it because Apple, the Beatles and Co., dont want to it and forbid EMI to issue any remasters. Why the Beatles dont want to remaster the catalogue after 20 years is anybody's guess. Probably the answer is just what Neil Aspinall has said before, remastering the catalogue involves spending money, and why do it if the Beatles CDs are still selling? A few audiophiles may be complaining, but how many are there? The general public is happy with the remastering done in 1987, they dont know any better. And again guys, with the Beatles suing EMI for royalties last month, all hopes for new product this year went out the window. __________________ Music to rock the nation

01-04-2006, 09:01 AM	#20
lobo Forum Hall Of Fame Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 4,203	'scuse me Sirs, but Apple/EMI experimenting with remastering technology to get it right, and therefore we have to wait for Beatles remasters? That's ridiculous. It's their job, there is no experimenting needed. Of course they know how to remaster the fabalogue (be it Capitol-style, 1-style or YS-style), but there is no need to do it. They are selling their stuff. Publish from time to time a little remix to keep the public interested and don't care with the remastering. It's that easy. Yes, I also want good sounding remasters, but I think you're on the safer side getting some good needle-drops or anthology remixes or whatever you like. __________________ Moon the Loon on society and censorship: "I suppose you have to draw the line somewhere. I mean, I don't think I should be allowed to sit in the front row of the cinema."

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