Question for Steve: Working with Ray Charles

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by Jeff.B, Jan 13, 2002.

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  1. Jeff.B

    Jeff.B New Member Thread Starter

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    This is a repost of some questions which I had posed for Steve to the Phonogram online group. Steve asked me to repost the questions here for a more complete discussion:

    "I have an LP I purchased many years ago entitled "Ray Charles and Betty Carter." Great LP. It is on Personality, some European label, and on the back, it says this LP was licensed from: DCC Compact Classics, with a date of 1989.

    Well, in the credits it states, "Digitally rebalanced by Ray Charles, mastered by Steve Hoffman and Terry Howard at Ray Charles' RPM Studios, Los Angeles, June 1988."

    1st question: What does "digitally rebalanced" mean?

    2nd question: Were you working directly with Ray himself? If so, what was that like?

    3rd question: Is this the same remastering as on the DCC LP released directly through DCC (I understand that there were two separate releases)?

    4th question: How does the final result of the one you worked on compare with an original ABC-Paramount?

    Jeff
     
  2. Steve Hoffman

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    Hi Jeff,

    Thanks for posting. You had originally asked:

    "I have an LP I purchased many years ago entitled "Ray Charles and Betty Carter." Great LP. It is on Personality, some European label, and on the back, it says this LP was licensed from: DCC Compact Classics, with a date of 1989.

    Well, in the credits it states, "Digitally rebalanced by Ray Charles, mastered by Steve Hoffman and Terry Howard at Ray Charles' RPM Studios, Los Angeles, June 1988."

    What does "digitally rebalanced" mean?

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    "Digitally rebalanced" just meant that Ray, Terry Howard and I remastered the tape on to a Sony 1630 machine, via Ray's Braille console. Why we chose "rebalanced" instead of remastered, I can't remember. Might have been the 1/2 gin & 1/2 hot coffee that I was sampling out of Ray's big beer stein...

    This is the same SOLID STATE remastering that DCC did in the late 1980's on clear vinyl. (Don't ask why). The lacquers were cut at Future Disc Systems with my buddy Kevin Gray from an analog EQ'd (by Ray) master, solid state all the way.

    The 180-gram Virgin Vinyl LP I cut in the 1990's is from the two-track master, bypassing the console, flat with a tube cutting system.

    The original cutting on ABC-Paramount is a typical Bell Sound Studio cutting of it's era: high cut around 10k, low cut around 50 cycles, big boost around 4k, and some analog compression thrown in for good measure. Oh, and cut from a Bell Sound "Safety" made from the original United Audio tape.

    It does have it's charm, sounds quite good in a nostalgic early '60's kind of way and the pressing is rare as hell in good shape. Not my idea of the ultimate sound quality though. Too much tailored for your Zenith or Magnavox console.

    What was it like working for Ray? A blast. His engineer Terry Howard is a neat guy, and Ray is always amazing to be around.

    At first, when I was working on the DCC Ray stuff, back in 1987, he didn't exactly seem too thrilled about hearing his ABC stuff again. I think it reminded him of bad stuff (read his biography). But, I must say, he warmed to the occasion quickly and really got into the music (which he had not heard in many years).

    He used to make me sit in the dark in the studio and try and engineer just by feel. He said that it was what HE had to do, so I better get used to it if I was going to work with him.

    Funny guy, eh?

    He could "hear" when the meters were peaking, and when they were just right at "0" vu on his console. AMAZING ears!

    His studio is in an old kind of scary (at night) part of Los Angeles, (R.P.M International Studio at 2107 West Washington Blvd., east of Western), and there wasn't much to eat in the neighborhood except one homemade BBQ place. Ray never ate with us (for obvious reasons), but he sent out for BBQ every day so we could chow down.

    Always had the same thing: Hot links sandwich. In other words, some beef links dripping in sauce in between two pieces of wonder bread. Also some yummy sweet potato pie, and some kind of Orange Crush type thing to drink.

    Thank God the bathroom was close by in Ray's studio. You can only eat so much of that in one week before your insides rebel!
    I loved hanging around his studio. Same place he recorded "Let's Go Get Stoned" and "America The Beautiful". Still had the same dark green carpet and studio clock, mikes, electric piano, etc., from the 1960's. Terry Howard and I were the only white guys in that entire studio and office complex, (and probably the entire neighborhood), and I always felt honored that Ray wanted me to hang with him there.

    I used to love watching him "read" magazines in Braille. I asked him once what he was reading and he said "Playboy". Ha. He is the ONLY person ever to REALLY read it just for the articles!

    When I was working on "Hit The Road, Jack" at his studio one day, he came in and stood right in front of the speakers. It was obvious he had not heard his recording of that song for a very long time. He nodded his head for a minute to the music, and then SCREAMED OUT in time with the song: "Oh Woman, oh woman why'dya treat me so mean, you are the meanest old woman that I've ever seen", etc. His voice ROARED out, louder than the blaring speakers, louder than any human voice I had ever heard. Amazing. Jumped out of my skin, actually. What a voice! I was in awe at that moment and felt very glad to be there.

    Funny thing is, he wanted to erase his old vocal track on that song and replace it with a new one. "I sing it SO much better now", he said! I talked him out of it, thank God!

    At any rate, it was fun working with Ray. I'll never forget him!


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    SH
     
  3. ED in NY

    ED in NY New Member

    Ray & Betty:The CD-Help !

    Where better to get this one answered ! On the song "Takes Two To Tango" between 1:40-1:45 is it just me or is there a nasty tape splice between the words "very" & "old". At first I thought my CD had a micro skip, but didn't notice the time counter clock flinch. Steve, is there something going on in there or do I just need a nap ?

    Thanks ! ED
     
  4. Steve Hoffman

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    Hi Ed,

    There is no splice there. Betty just "breaks time" like all good jazz singers do on occasion. She "swings it" at that point and comes in half a beat early!

    Ya see?

    Actually, there wasn't one splice in that entire album that I could hear. Every song is a complete take unto itself. Rare in the music world, but not rare for Ray Charles or the late, great Betty Carter.
     
  5. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    A few people have been asking some Ray Charles questions so I thought I'd move this thread back to MUSIC CORNER for a little while..
     
  6. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

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    Was this in South Central?
     
  7. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    No, sort of the West Adams neighborhood. Can't remember how to get there; the 10 to Western. Western and Washington I guess. Really amazing old houses in that neighborhood.
     
  8. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

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    I know from my own experience that working with an extraordinary artist leaves a mark on you, that working with a really powerful or unusual artist like Ray Charles would change the way you work. By way of example, when I recorded lutenist Hopkinson Smith, who plays beautifully but very quietly, the self noise of my gear swallowed up some of his sound. The result forced me to start looking for recording gear with as little self-noise as possible and it changed practically everything I did. Is there some element of your sound engineering work that was forever changed because of working with Ray Charles?
     
  9. Steve Hoffman

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    "Is there some element of your sound engineering work that was forever changed because of working with Ray Charles?"
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    Well, just my psyche I guess. Ray could tell where the VU meters were pinging just by listening. He was an amazing engineer and he did it all by "feel", literally. He could hear a pin drop in the next room.

    Wait, yes, he did teach me something (other than respect for the blind). He taught me how to LISTEN differently. For example, he could hear a musician playing flat in his orchestra without even trying. He would turn to me and go "Do you hear the second trumpet? He's off". I would "focus in" and actually hear it. Problem is, now I focus in automatically and I can't turn it off. I'll be listening to something at someone's house and all of a sudden a musician goes sharp and I zoom in to it, usually by saying "Ohhhh, that guy is OFF". My friends look at me like I'm crazy but I know that someone in the band is not on pitch. So, Ray taught me that but it's a mixed blessing...
     
  10. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    Not sure if you can answer this one, but one of my favorite titles form Ray is "The Genius Of Ray Charles" on Atlantic. It's the one with Quincy Jones as conductor.

    The thing that bugs me is, I know they had a lot of great equipment in there, but the CD and reissue LP sounds like it came from a damaged tape. Sounds like over modulation and a poor head block.

    What the heck is wrong there? Does a 3-track exist with better sound? I love listening but with a careful enthusiasm, because the sonics are wacky! Ideas?
     
  11. Steve Hoffman

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    That's a lost cause. Just overmodulation. All that exists is the two-track and full-track mixes. The 8-channel tapes were burned to a crisp. Doesn't matter though; the distortion was on the 8-track. 8 mic pres distorting at once is not a pretty sound. Great music but the sound sux. I tried the mono version and although it's not a fold down, it sux as well, meaning that Tom Dowd recorded the album on the 8-track and mixed a distorted mono and distorted stereo mix.

    Even in those days they had microphone pads to keep consoles from overloading. I can't imagine why he didn't use them...
     
  12. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    Thanks for that, Steve. I play that record shaking my head. :)
     
  13. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

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    Ray had ears that didn't lie.

    That's for sure. :agree:
     
  14. Brian Cruz

    Brian Cruz Forum Resident

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    THanks for sharing, Steve. I like the "Hit the Road Jack" part. Ray's voice was so huge. It sounded like he had an amp built into his vocal chords.
     
  15. Beatle Terr

    Beatle Terr Super Senior SH Forum Member Musician & Guitarist

    Very interesting Steve. Ray sort of gave you a great deal to think about as well as some earing training on the fly. Way Cool :cool:
     
  16. Robin L

    Robin L Musical Omnivore

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    I would figure he would teach you something about listening without looking. Sounds like he gave you a very valuable lesson in music production. Have you done session production since then?
     
  17. -=Rudy=-

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    That's like living with the curse called Perfect Pitch™. :shake: I even have some recordings that seem like they're halfway between two keys, and they drive me absolutely batty! (A Shorty Rogers LP I have is like that--it's halfway between A and B-Flat, and I don't know which one is correct--it sounds more "right" at B-Flat just based on the timbre of the instruments when I speed the turntable up.)
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Yeah, it's a curse. I've always had it but Ray Charles really "honed it in" for me..
     
  19. smilin

    smilin New Member

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    Steve,

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts :D in this thread, I am really enjoying living vicariuosly through some of your cool experiences. :righton: :wave:
     
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