Kevin Gray's "My Fun Adventures With Jeff Lynne and E.L.O."

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  1. Steve Hoffman

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    This fascinates the heck out of me. I've known Kevin since 1982 and he's never told me this before! Talk about waiting 'til the last minute to add or change something to a mix before cutting.
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    Kevin Gray:

    Hi Stevo,

    Here ya go. (Crank up the wayback machine!)

    Hi Gang,

    Steve and I were returning from lunch today and “Living Thing” by ELO
    started playing on my car radio. I said to Steve, “Now that was a crazy
    mastering session! Would you believe we did a vocal overdub before we cut
    it?” After I told Steve the story he suggested I write it up for the forum,
    so here goes.

    On a Friday afternoon Dino Lapis from UA Records called Artisan Sound, where
    I worked at the time, and said that ELO needed to master their new album
    (New World Record) but needed to do a vocal overdub first. Artisan Sound
    had just finished its second mastering room and was in the process of
    building a mix-down room. But it wasn’t finished yet.
    Bob MacLeod, owner of Artisan, suggested doing the overdub to two track and
    splicing just the overdubbed sections back into the original master. Jeff
    Lynne actually preferred this idea to re-mixing, as he was quite happy with
    his original mix overall. So on Saturady morning Jeff Lynne came into
    Artisan and sang the vocals for the lines in "Livin' Thing" “I’m takin’ a dive” and “I’m
    takin’, I’m takin’ ” and Bob MacLeod recorded the “micro” session.

    This is how it was done:

    Jeff Lynne listened to his original mix with headphones.
    The mix was played back through 2 line inputs,panned hard left and right,on
    a portable Electrodyne mixer and a Neumann U-87 mic was plugged into a mic
    input panned to center. The output of the mixer fed a second Studer A-80
    two-track recorder. Jeff's voice along with original mix were fed to the
    new tape. When finished, just the sections with the added vocal were spliced
    back into the original mix.

    Clever eh? It was a little more difficult
    than it sounds. Also, getting the level of Jeff’s voice right in the mix
    took a few trial passes, but if I recall correctly, I think he did the
    actual take of each line in one pass. ...Two or three at most.
    Bob and I both worked on the mastering. I cut all the final lacquers, and
    there were lots! ...Maybe 16 sets for the US and the world.

    One other
    tidbit... The telephone effect on “Telephone Line” was actually done by me
    in mastering. It is NOT on the master tape that way!

    Jeff for some reason didn’t think about it ‘til mastering. He asked if I could do a "telephone effect".

    We took a ”ton” of bass out and put a “ton” of midrange in one Sontec EQ (to
    give the exaggerated telephone feel), then set a second Sontec up with the
    EQ for the rest of the song. Then I did a long, slow cross-fade between the
    2 Eqs in real time as I cut each lacquer. ...a little tricky. I still
    remember having sweaty palms every time I cut an acetate on that side. We made a tape copy and everything of a reissue nature has been cut from that dub.

    This
    is why so many reissues get cut from tape copies. (Even some first
    releases!) BUT not from Steve and me!

    Best to all,

    Kev
     
  2. Steve Hoffman

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    Wow, each set of lacquers for the world has a slightly different version of TELEPHONE LINE on it, all done live. That kills me!

    And now we know: The World all received the lacquers from the same place using the same tape. No difference in sound quality from country to country except for maybe the telephone effect in that song, heh.
     
  3. Todd Fredericks

    Todd Fredericks Senior Member

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    Thanks Kevin & Steve for such a great story!

    Todd
     
  4. Michael

    Michael I LOVE WIDE S-T-E-R-E-O!

    Thanks for sharing Kevin & Steve!!...Another reason to love this place!
    Just too Cool!!!:thumbsup:
     
  5. John Carsell

    John Carsell Forum Resident

    Location:
    Northwest Illinois
    Cool!

    From time to time I thought I heard that telephone sound a little bit different here and there, but I always thought nah.......and shrugged it off.

    Now I know the real story. And a great ELO story it is.

    Thanks Kevin and Steve!!!
     
  6. MagicAlex

    MagicAlex Gort Emeritus

    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    Great story! Thanks Kevin.

    It sure would be interesting to hear the original master for Telephone Line. Nice touch on that one!
     
  7. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

    Location:
    Lodi, New Jersey
    Very interesting - thanks Kevin and Steve!
     
  8. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    All this time I thought sometimes he was using Sprint, sometimes MCI, sometimes ATT...

    Great story!
     
  9. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host Thread Starter

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    Back then it would have been General Telephone or The Bell System!
     
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  10. Jamie Tate

    Jamie Tate New Member

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    And there's never been a re-mix of that song? You're part of engineering history Kevin!

    I remember that song was played for us in mixing class (he he) as an effective over-EQ effect.
     
  11. Claviusb

    Claviusb A Serious Man

    ...And the Kevin Gray system!
     
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  12. audio

    audio New Member

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    Thanks, Steve and Kevin! I've been dying for a story like this since I joined the forum. You know how much I love ELO!! :goodie:
     
  13. reb

    reb Money Beats Soul

    Location:
    Long Island
    Like both those tunes very much. Glad that they are alive and well in our minds....
     
  14. ksmitty

    ksmitty Senior Member

    That is a great story! Thanks for the interesting read Steve & Kevin. This is the greatest place around on the web !
     
  15. mne563

    mne563 Senior Member

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    DFW, Texas
    Wow, great story!

    I can only imagine if the Beatles did a mix with 16 slightly different lacquers; the completest would of course have to have every one! (For the sake of sanity, I hope there are no ELO collectors in this position!)
     
  16. Holy Zoo

    Holy Zoo Gort (Retired) :-)

    Location:
    Santa Cruz

    Bravo!! Applause!!

    Tell us another story, Uncle Kev! Pretty Please?! :D
     
  17. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    South Plymouth, Ma
    Stories like this are wonderful to read.

    More please :)

    Ah, you can hear where it was 'flown in'.....
     
  18. Steve Hoffman

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    I'll never be able to hear that song again without having those little vocal additions stick out like a sore thumb. Heh. That wacky Jeff Lynne.
     
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  19. ChristianL

    ChristianL Senior Member

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    Berlin, Germany
    Hi There,

    this is my first appearance in this forum.

    I wonder, what source Doug Sax used in the mastering of "Flashback". Did he use a dub of the Master or re-create the effect originaly done by Kevin Grey?
     
  20. davenav

    davenav High Plains Grifter

    Location:
    Louisville, KY USA
    From reading the last part of that facinating story, Bigfoot, I'm pretty sure he meant every reissue (including Flashback) was from that tape dub.

    Has anyone here compared the vinyl to a cd? I'd like to know if there's a discernable difference, but don't own the vinyl.

    Another question--What is the condition of those edits in the master tape?
     
  21. Mark H

    Mark H Senior Member

    Location:
    upstate N.Y.
    Cool story Kevin. Thanks for sharing it. I love these little inside tidbits. Adds to my appreciation of the work you guys do and actually changes the way I listen!
     
  22. ybe

    ybe The Lawnmower Man

    Thanks for the cool story Kevin & Steve! I have always thought my original Swedish pressing of "A New World Record" sounded great. Now I know why.:) A job well done, Kevin! I have to give that LP a spin tonight and check out those tweaks you did in the last minute.
     
  23. Grant

    Grant Life is a rock, but the radio rolled me!

    Oh, the value of these little stories from the mastering guys and gals! I love 'em!

    You know, I always felt that "Telephone Line" sounded kind of strange, sonically. I guess this is why!

    So now the fun question is, which version was the 45 cut from? Heh!
     
  24. Claus

    Claus Senior Member

    Location:
    Germany
    Cool story Kev... very funny to read. Thanks!
     
  25. Doug Hess Jr.

    Doug Hess Jr. Senior Member

    Location:
    Belpre, Ohio
    What an awesome story!! Please feel free to tell us more, Kevin! You too Steve-- you can change the names to protect the innocent, however, if need be...
     
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