The Kate Bush CD Comparison Thread

Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by CardinalFang, Sep 15, 2008.

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  1. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Let's use this thread to compare different pressings of the Kate Bush catalog.

    Please post EAC peak values here so that we can try and determine mastering differences. Note that EAC peak values are only part of the picture, but are a good way of narrowing down differences. Further investigation between differing values may lead to completely different masterings or just a volume-adjusted pressing.

    I'll start things with my findings for Never For Ever.
     
  2. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Never For Ever

    Made in UK
    Matrix: CDP 746360 2 AR 4 EMI SWINDON

    Made in Japan
    TOCP-3007 4
    (This was purchased in the 90s in Japan by my wife, but I have no idea if this was an original Japanese pressing or a 90s Japanese pressing)

    EAC Values for these two discs are the same:
    100.0/71.0/100.0/93.5/92.4/100.0/97.5/80.5/43.2/48.4/100.0
     
  3. Paul H

    Paul H The fool on the hill

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    Excuse my ignorance, but how do I go about determining EAC peak values?
     
  4. Capt Fongsby

    Capt Fongsby Music is the best. ... And cats.

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    Norway
    KATE BUSH cds/peak levels:

    THE KICK INSIDE CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46012 2 :: MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    93.4 / 95.1 / 81.9 / 100.0 / 71.3 / 88.1 / 78.4 / 51.6 / 90.4 / 100.0 / 83.8 / 83.2 / 52.1

    LIONHEART CDP 7 46065 2 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46065 2 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    NEVER FOR EVER CDP 7463602 Made in West Germany (alu to spindle hole)
    matrix: CDP 7 46360 2 2896 816 01 * MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO HANOVER
    100.0 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.5 / 92.4 / 100.0 / 97.5 / 80.5 / 43.2 / 48.4 / 100.0

    THE DREAMING CDP 7463612 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46361 2 : MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    100.0 / 96.5 / 91.6 / 92.7 / 97.9 / 100.0 / 87.3 / 60.4 / 76.7 / 87.6

    HOUNDS OF LOVE CDP 7 46164 2 Made in Japan
    matrix: CDP 7 46164 2 6A2
    100.0 / 90.5 / 100.0 / 83.7 / 100.0 / 61.3 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    THE SENSUAL WORLD CDP 7930 7 82 Made in UK (Blackface w/orange lettering)
    matrix: CDP 793078 2 AR 1:3:5 EMI SWINDON
    78.4 / 100.0 / 70.4 / 78.8 / 99.1 / 80.3 / 82.4 / 74.3 / 89.6 / 57.0 / 93.7

    :cheers:
     
  5. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks Tore! Now we need some readings from the US versions and more Japan versions. I have a Hounds of Love Japan that I'll post soon...
     
  6. PaulT

    PaulT Spuzzum

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    The Kick Inside CP35-3045 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP35-3045 6A1
    82.3 / 83.7 / 70.7 / 83.1 / 61.9 / 75.7 / 74.6 / 44.4 / 83.1 / 80.4 / 71.7 / 75.2 / 46.0

    Lionheart CP32-5040 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP32-5040 21A1 +++++
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0
    interesting that this is the same as the CDP UK

    The Whole Story CP32-5174 Japan Frist Pressing (CDP 7464142 also on disc)
    matrix CP32-5174 2A4 TO
    92.5 / 68.4 / 47.7 / 92.4 / 93.0 / 87.8 / 100.0 / 75.9 / 100.0 / 98.2 / 100.0 / 97.4
    since this also has CDP on the disc I am interested to see if a UK disc has same values.

    Hounds Of Love CP32-5086 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP32-5086 1A1
    96.5 / 82.3 / 91.7 / 68.1 / 95.8 / 48.5 / 57.0 / 98.5 / 77.5 / 100.0 / 88.8 / 100.0
     
  7. Black Elk

    Black Elk Music Lover

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    Bay Area, U.S.A.
    A few more data points (I have not included Aerial, as I assume that is the same for all versions):

    Lionheart - EMI CDP 7 46065 2 / UK: CD-FA 3094 (Made In UK)
    Matrix: CDP 746065 2 AR 13 :2:3EMI SWINDON

    100.0 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 % - 63.0 % - 100.0 % - 75.5 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 %

    Same as the Nimbus and Japanese Black Triangle versions.


    Hounds Of Love - EMI-Manhattan CDP 7 46164 2 DIDX 1100 (Made In USA)
    Matrix: 1-1-1 MASTERED BY EMI MFG IFPI L043 077774616423

    100.0 % - 90.5 % - 100.0 % - 83.7 % - 100.0 % - 61.3 % - 71.0 % - 100.0 % - 93.1 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 % - 100.0 %

    Same as the Japanese for UK version.


    Hounds Of Love - EMI 7243 5 25239 2 4 (Made In Holland) (includes 6 bonus tracks)
    Matrix: IFPI L046 EMI UDEN 8579782 @ 1 020210-NL

    98.7 % - 98.5 % - 98.7 % - 98.0 % - 98.6 % - 98.0 % - 98.0 % - 98.8 % - 95.9 % - 98.6 % - 98.2 % - 98.7 % ~~ bonus tracks ~~ 98.7 % - 98.7 % - 98.3 % - 98.0 % - 98.6 % - 65.5 %
     
  8. espartaco

    espartaco Forum Resident

    The NEVER FOR EVER US version (EMI by Capitol) is the same the others:


    NEVER FOR EVER CDP 7463602 Made in USA
    matrix: CDP 7 46360 2 AR @ 1 CAPITOL JAX
    100.0 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.5 / 92.4 / 100.0 / 97.5 / 80.5 / 43.2 / 48.4 / 100.0
     
  9. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    The Kick Inside Japan
    Matrix: TOCP-3005 B A1
    82.3/83.7/70.7/83.1/61.9/75.7/74.6/44.4/83.1/80.4/71.7/75.2/46.0

    Same as the Black Triangle posted by PaulT.
     
  10. mark f.

    mark f. Senior Member

    And the Pastmaster version CP21-6082 is also the same mastering as above. I believe this has been stated in other threads.
     
  11. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    The list so far:

    THE KICK INSIDE CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46012 2 :: MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    93.4 / 95.1 / 81.9 / 100.0 / 71.3 / 88.1 / 78.4 / 51.6 / 90.4 / 100.0 / 83.8 / 83.2 / 52.1

    The Kick Inside CP35-3045 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP35-3045 6A1
    82.3 / 83.7 / 70.7 / 83.1 / 61.9 / 75.7 / 74.6 / 44.4 / 83.1 / 80.4 / 71.7 / 75.2 / 46.0

    The Kick Inside Japan
    Matrix: TOCP-3005 B A1
    82.3/83.7/70.7/83.1/61.9/75.7/74.6/44.4/83.1/80.4/71.7/75.2/46.0

    The Kick Inside
    Japan Pastmaster CP21-608
    Matrix: ?
    82.3/83.7/70.7/83.1/61.9/75.7/74.6/44.4/83.1/80.4/71.7/75.2/46.0

    THE KICK INSIDE CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 746012 2 AR 2 EMI SWINDON
    93.4 / 95.1 / 81.9 / 100.0 / 71.3 / 88.1 / 78.4 / 51.6 / 90.4 / 100.0 / 83.8 / 83.2 / 52.1

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    LIONHEART CDP 7 46065 2 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46065 2 . MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    Lionheart CP32-5040 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP32-5040 21A1 +++++
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    Lionheart - EMI CDP 7 46065 2 / UK: CD-FA 3094 (Made In UK)
    Matrix: CDP 746065 2 AR 13 :2:3EMI SWINDON
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 %

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    Never For Ever
    Made in UK
    Matrix: CDP 746360 2 AR 4 EMI SWINDON
    100.0/71.0/100.0/93.5/92.4/100.0/97.5/80.5/43.2/48.4/100.0

    Never For Ever
    Made in Japan
    TOCP-3007 4
    100.0/71.0/100.0/93.5/92.4/100.0/97.5/80.5/43.2/48.4/100.0

    NEVER FOR EVER CDP 7463602 Made in West Germany (alu to spindle hole)
    matrix: CDP 7 46360 2 2896 816 01 * MADE IN W. GERMANY BY PDO HANOVER
    100.0 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.5 / 92.4 / 100.0 / 97.5 / 80.5 / 43.2 / 48.4 / 100.0

    NEVER FOR EVER CDP 7463602 Made in USA
    matrix: CDP 7 46360 2 AR @ 1 CAPITOL JAX
    100.0 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.5 / 92.4 / 100.0 / 97.5 / 80.5 / 43.2 / 48.4 / 100.0

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    THE DREAMING CDP 7463612 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46361 2 : MASTERED BY NIMBUS
    100.0 / 96.5 / 91.6 / 92.7 / 97.9 / 100.0 / 87.3 / 60.4 / 76.7 / 87.6

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    HOUNDS OF LOVE CDP 7 46164 2 Made in Japan
    matrix: CDP 7 46164 2 6A2
    100.0 / 90.5 / 100.0 / 83.7 / 100.0 / 61.3 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    Hounds Of Love CP32-5086 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix CP32-5086 1A1
    96.5 / 82.3 / 91.7 / 68.1 / 95.8 / 48.5 / 57.0 / 98.5 / 77.5 / 100.0 / 88.8 / 100.0

    Hounds Of Love - EMI-Manhattan CDP 7 46164 2 DIDX 1100 (Made In USA)
    Matrix: 1-1-1 MASTERED BY EMI MFG IFPI L043 077774616423
    100.0 / 90.5 / 100.0 / 83.7 / 100.0 / 61.3 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 %

    Hounds Of Love - EMI 7243 5 25239 2 4 (Made In Holland) (includes 6 bonus tracks)
    Matrix: IFPI L046 EMI UDEN 8579782 @ 1 020210-NL
    98.7 / 98.5 / 98.7 / 98.0 / 98.6 / 98.0 / 98.0 / 98.8 / 95.9 / 98.6 / 98.2 / 98.7 % ~~ bonus tracks ~~ 98.7 / 98.7 / 98.3 / 98.0 / 98.6 / 65.5 %

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    THE SENSUAL WORLD CDP 7930 7 82 Made in UK (Blackface w/orange lettering)
    matrix: CDP 793078 2 AR 1:3:5 EMI SWINDON
    78.4 / 100.0 / 70.4 / 78.8 / 99.1 / 80.3 / 82.4 / 74.3 / 89.6 / 57.0 / 93.7

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    The Whole Story CP32-5174 Japan Frist Pressing (CDP 7464142 also on disc)
    matrix CP32-5174 2A4 TO
    92.5 / 68.4 / 47.7 / 92.4 / 93.0 / 87.8 / 100.0 / 75.9 / 100.0 / 98.2 / 100.0 / 97.4
     
  12. reapers

    reapers Forum Resident

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    THE KICK INSIDE CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 746012 2 AR 2 EMI SWINDON
    93.4 / 95.1 / 81.9 / 100.0 / 71.3 / 88.1 / 78.4 / 51.6 / 90.4 / 100.0 / 83.8 / 83.2 / 52.1

    Same as Nimbus posted by nemosonic
     
  13. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Thanks Reapers... added it to the list above. :thumbsup:
     
  14. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Any more copies of The Dreaming out there? I had the US version but sold it after I picked up the UK Nimbus (posted above).

    The Whole Story too... :shh:
     
  15. reapers

    reapers Forum Resident

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    Some more:

    Lionheart CDP 7 46065 2 Made in UK
    matrix: CDP 7 46065 2 AR @ 7:7:6
    100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 63.0 / 100.0 / 75.5 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    The Dreaming CDP 7463612 Made in UK
    matrix: CDP 746361 2 AR EMI Swindon
    91.2 / 88.0 / 83.6 / 84.5 / 89.3 / 91.2 / 79.6 / 55.0 / 69.9 / 79.8

    Hounds of Love CDP 7461642 Made in UK
    matrix: CDP 7 46164 2 AR @
    100.0 / 90.5 / 100.0 / 83.7 / 100.0 / 61.3 / 71.0 / 100.0 / 93.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0

    The Whole Story CDP 7464142 Made in England
    matrix: CDP 7 46414 2 AR @ 2
    100.0 / 74.8 / 52.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 96.9 / 100.0 / 85.1 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0 / 100.0
     
  16. Great Deceiver

    Great Deceiver Active Member

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    First, download and install EAC. Then highlight all the tracks and then click "action" and "test selected tracks" Then view the log file and voila! :wave:
     
  17. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    But it helps if you set up EAC properly first. Here's a good tutorial:
    http://www.CardinalFang.com/eac/
     
  18. pdovore

    pdovore Forum Resident

    Thanks for the instructions - i'm a beginner with EAC also and needed a helping hand :wave:
     
  19. darkmatter

    darkmatter Gort Astronomer Staff

    Excellent thread :righton: I will pull some of my copies out and EAC them

    Best

    Simon :)
     
  20. Danny

    Danny Forum Resident

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    Great idea for a thread and excellent information. :thumbsup:

    I have a suggestion when posting the master list. How would you feel about numbering each mastering of a certain title? Also, in cases where the peak values are identical just post a note "identical peak levels to mastering #1" instead of posting all the same values again?

    :cheers:
     
  21. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Aw, that's too much work! ;)

    Seriously, great suggestions! I'll try to address this at the next update.
     
  22. Danny

    Danny Forum Resident

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    Nothing is too much work as long as I'm not doing it. :D
     
  23. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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  24. Capt Fongsby

    Capt Fongsby Music is the best. ... And cats.

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    How about something like this:

    THE KICK INSIDE

    mastering #1:
    82.3 / 83.7 / 70.7 / 83.1 / 61.9 / 75.7 / 74.6 / 44.4 / 83.1 / 80.4 / 71.7 / 75.2 / 46.0

    CP35-3045 Japan Black Triangle
    matrix: CP35-3045 6A1

    Japan Pastmaster CP21-608
    matrix: ?

    Japan
    matrix: TOCP-3005 B A1

    mastering #2:
    93.4 / 95.1 / 81.9 / 100.0 / 71.3 / 88.1 / 78.4 / 51.6 / 90.4 / 100.0 / 83.8 / 83.2 / 52.1

    CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 7 46012 2 :: MASTERED BY NIMBUS

    CDP 7460122 Made in U.K.
    matrix: CDP 746012 2 AR 2 EMI SWINDON

    LIONHEART

    etc. etc.
     
  25. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member Thread Starter

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    Exactly what I was thinking, Tore. :thumbsup:

    Sorry I was so lazy when posting the first update! :D
     
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