Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young "So Far" orig. CD. An old friend back again!

Just got one on eBay from ilovemusic1969 for 9.99. Thanks for the tip.

 

Thanks, Steve...
and Berry!!!

 

and Luke

 

I have this CD from BMG from years ago, made in USA by WEA Mfg. It sounds great.

This CD should be a clone from WEA Mfg, JVC Disc America, Record Service Germany, and Cinram in Canada and fairly easy (and cheap!) to find used.

Steve's version is a Columbia House issue:

SD 19119-2 Atlantic retail issue
SD 19119-2 BMG Club no barcode D130230 club number
A2-19119 Columbia House

All the same except the labelling

 

I just grabbed one from Amazon...made in USA by Sanyo...Barry mastered...

Did not own this CD at all...do have the vinyl....

 

Heck if you're a fan just get Barry's versions of CSN (Couch Album) and Deja Vu. They also sound wonderful, I already have Ohio on Decade.

 

Now wondering if the 'Ohio' found on the NY comp 'Decade' is messed with at all?
I have the BD versions of the first two albums, and had contented myself with having Ohio on this compilation, but am curious now..

 

I found one of these recently, and it does sound very nice. I now have all of the original CSN and CSNY CDs and I like them much better than any of the remasters. Thanks Steve! (for the heads up) and Barry! (for the mastering)

 

I have the Atlantic SD 19119-2 CD that was manufactured in Japan and mastered by Barry Diament. "Made In Japan By Matsushita Electric Ind. Co. Ltd" is stated on the outer rim of the CD. Just another variation to look for.


Ed Hurdle
HeavyDistortion

 

I still have mine and this is the proper way to listen to this cd. Barry did great work as always.

Steve, if I had known you were after this I'd have given you one of mine...I have mine from the late 80's as well as a copy my dad gave when he bought the remaster...I've always held on to it.

 

I've been under the assumption that one easy way of recognizing the Diament mastering (aside from the credit, of course) is by the presence of that bit of "Come On in My Kitchen" just before "49 Bye Byes", which was removed for the later remasters. Is this correct?

 

How can I identify a Barry Deja Vu? I have a made in West Grmany By Polygram silver hub disc (looks like a target...without the target design) catalog number SD 19118-2 Europe 250 001. No mention of mastering engineer in the booklet....

Do I have Barry's?

How can I identify the Barry "Couch" CD?

 

You're opening up a whole can of worms right there.

 

Hi rpd,

The numbers you describe on your copy of "Deja Vu" are the same numbers on my original, also pressed by Polygram in Germany.

My copy of the original "Couch" CD was pressed by WEA in the US and has catalog #19117-2 and UPC code 0-7567-81516-2.

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Barry
www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
www.barrydiamentaudio.com

 

I'm not aware of any "secret" remasters of either s/t or So Far, so for those two, it's just a matter of looking for the correct catalog number - matrix numbers shouldn't matter:

Crosby Stills & Nash (s/t)
19117-2 (US)
240 033 (Europe)

So Far
19119-2 (US)
(not sure what the Europe catalog number is)

For Deja Vu, I'm aware of 2 versions with the same catalog number. One has lots of dropouts, while the other has those sections fixed via splices from another tape (but is otherwise digitally identical). I'd assume most people would want the fixed version, but... Catalog numbers:

19118-2 (US)
250 001 (Europe)

The matrix for the "bad" pressing will probably have something like "7567 19118-2" among other things. The "good" pressing should have "SRC" somewhere. Details here.

So Far seemed to be plentiful on eBay - I think last week I saw at least 4 copies (two of those going to Steve and I). s/t seems a little harder to find, although I did just recently find a copy. Deja Vu seems to be the hardest of the three to find, plus you have to different versions to contend with...

Oh, and if it wasn't clear, all of the remastered (1994?) CDs have new catalog numbers, so they are easy to distinguish.

 

Luke - the "good" pressing has SRC in the matrix too. See the next ten posts after this one - http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=1875291&postcount=7

 

So, my old one that looks like a target w/o the target design (made in West Germany by Polygram)...that has the matrix 7567 19118-2 2895 821 02 * is NOT the one to have?

 

My bad. I meant the "bad" pressing has SRC in the matrix too. Too late to edit now...sorry for the confusion.

 

No, Andreas' copy is the "good" one - he was just confused as to which version he had until I posted clips. See further in that thread.

 

Anyone know what the correct speed for Ohio is? I've got it on So Far (original CD), Decade (CD) and the CSN box set. The version on the box set is significantly slower than either of the other two versions. The box set also feels a bit "dark" and has less hiss. Wondering if that's EQ, NR or a different tape.

Find the Cost of Freedom is also significantly slower on the box set. Interestingly enough, on So Far, the left channel is brought in to the center a bit, while on the box set it is hard left. Something funny on the So Far tape maybe?

Barry, for So Far, I'm assuming you just used the precompiled copy master, rather than going back to the album (and single) masters?

 

Hi Luke,

We're out at the edge of memory again but if I recall correctly, I did "So Far" from the 1/2" analog "master" for the album.

It was common in those days, to assemble a collection or "Best of" type album by making 1:1 copies of each of the tunes from the original albums they were sourced from and assembling the copied tracks into a new "master". This was most likely the case with "So Far" but for this one, the copies were made using 1/2" tape instead of the more common 1/4".

At the time I did "So Far", they'd just give me a tape and let me know they wanted a CD master made from it. As time went on, I was able to make some of the calls myself and for albums like "The Ultimate Rascals" and "The Ultimate Otis Redding", I took each track from the original album sources.

I was able to depart from the practice of assembled copies as "masters" completely later on, when I went independent and formed BDA. For example, for Bob Marley's "Legend" and "Rebel Music" compilations, I went back and did the A-D transfer for each song using the original tracks from the original tapes. (This resulted in the restoration of a total of about 11 minutes of music on "Legend", which had previously had edited versions of a number of tracks.)

Best regards,
Barry
www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
www.barrydiamentaudio.com

 

This is also on the Gastwirt remaster. Don't know about the most recent remaster....and Barry is not indicated on my Atlantic 'Couch' CD which is as he identified in post #17.....the only difference being that my copy is Made in Germany and has 240 033 on the hub (as well as 19117-2).