You edit the cue file on a text editor and add FLAGS PRE. Something like: TRACK 01 AUDIO TITLE "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" PERFORMER "Michael Jackson" FLAGS PRE INDEX 01 00:00:00 and so on for every track
Philips CDR765. Bottom sticker says Model CDR765 BK02. But why don't you PM me, Don, and give me your email address, so I can send you a few 30-second samples of before and after de-emphasis with the various methods I listed. There's no point in you spending a lot of money on a deck if it doesn't sound like what you want. You may not agree that it sounds better.
Right, Sam. Insert the CD, click "Action" then click "Copy Image & Create Cue Sheet." This will rip wavs and also create the cue sheet alfeizar showed an example of above. When done, open the cue sheet in Notepad or the like (it's a text document). If it does not list "FLAGS PRE" above the Index line for each song, type it in manually for each song, as alfeizar showed above. Then close the cue sheet and save it when it asks if you want to save. Be sure to take note of where on your computer it is located, as you will be using it late. (Should be in the same spot the WAVs you just ripped are.) You will find EAC will have ripped the album as one long file, not broken up into individual songs. That's what the cue sheet is for. So to burn it to CD, click Tools, then Write CD-R. The CD Layout Editor box will pop up. In that, click File, then click Load Cue Sheet. Select the cue sheet you just created, and click "Open." The cue sheet will load, showing the individual songs listed. Now click "CD-R" at the top of the screen and click "Write." The disc will be broken down into individual tracks on the finished CD-R, now with a pre-emphasis flag on the songs which should be recognized by iTunes and other programs that recognize them. (As long as you made sure the cue sheet says FLAGS PRE above the index line for each song.)
Huh. For my DSotM Harvest Black Face, I just used WaveEmph, but I'll give it a try with EAC when I get the chance and see if there's any differences in the sound.
Foobar, the Convolver Plugin and a suitable impulseresponse-File give you all you need to do perfect DE... works like a charm
I have compared the De-Emph sound of Foobar, SoX, WaveEmph and my mastering software Izotope Ozone and prefered the latter. It had a richer sound. The other methods sounded like one applied a filter on top of the music. Of course the other methods are free and work well. I thought the sound of SoX was the best. Unfortunately I don't have a CD player capable of De-Emph, so I can't compare the difference between software and hardware DE.
By the way, I do want to add a title to the pre-emphasis list: West Side Story - Original Sound Track, Japan, 35DP 59 CBS/SONY
I documented my process for doing de-emphasis on a rip in this head-fi thread: Ripping CDs that have pre-emphasis. In hindsight, I should have posted that here rather than head-fi since people here actually care about pre-emphasis and de-emphasis. C'est la vie. I rip to a CUE with EAC then do de-emphasis with SoX then split the CUE using Foobar or CUETools. At the time I compared the de-emphasis done by iTunes 8 against SoX and found the SoX version to sound better. I don't know if iTunes has gotten better since then or not. I never tried WaveEmph or any other options. If I find another (free) software solution that works better then I'll switch. SoX did well enough to my ears.
Thanks for this pointer... just compared DE done by SoX and done via Foobar+Convoler+impulse-response: In some cases a very very small difference can be heard between the Sox and the Convolver-appoach: Sox sounds slightly better, very slightly ;-) But IMHO one can live very well with both methods, even compared to hardware-DE... But i admit: never tried izotope...
Okay, I'm caught up, at least as far as this thread is concerned. I've found a few more in my own collection too (matrix codes, etc. are on the wiki page): Virgil Fox: Plays the John Wanamaker Organ--Philadelphia (Bainbridge BCD 2501) US for US Generation Band: Soft Shoulder (Nautilus NR62 DIDZ 10013) JP for US Orchestral Manœuvres In The Dark: Architecture and Morality (Virgin CDID 12) UK for UK Steve Roach: Dreamtime Return (Fortuna 18055-2) DE for World Bruce Springsteen: Born to Run (CDCBS 80959 (DIDP 21)) JP for EU? Michael Lee Thomas: Voyager: Grand Tour Suite (Bainbridge BCD 2503) US for US
Question: Can anybody confirm if the Boston Don't Look back 35-8P mastering truly does have pre-emphasis? My EAC won't detect it in the sub code so I can't be sure. It comes up as NOT having pre-emphasis but that could be just coming from a TOC reading. I put the .wav files through SOX and they sorta sound muddy now. <shrugs> I was always under the impression that this disc did in fact have pre-emphasis but now I'm not sure. Anybody?
My original Epic CD of Ricky Skaggs' "Highways and Heartaches" has it. It's stored so I don't have any of the other info available at the moment. Sorry if this has been mentioned, but if so I didn't see it.
I don't know if anyone is still updating the database of CD's with pre-emphasis but I have one not listed. Journey - Escape Japan for USA Matrix: DIDP 50006 31A10 A_L
This was unexpected: Various Artists: Razormaid! Compact Disc Series "r-1" (Razormaid! Records RM-CD-r1; US 1989[?]) It's an anomaly -- "a-2" and "z-3" don't have it, nor do any of the other Razormaid! CDs I have from that period. I've updated the release list.
Can someone remind me where/how I add the pre-emphasis flag. I have not done it in some time but remember doing "flag pre" or something but don't remember exactly where. I got the Bruce Springsteen Born To Run Japan for US which I understand has pre-emphasis and want to make a proper CD-R of it. Thanks
For EAC Tools/Write CDR/File/Load Cue Sheet/Layout/Edit Selected Indices/Check Pre-Emphesis. You must do it track by track. Be sure to save before exiting.
Adding one... Al DiMeola - Electric Rendezvous - 35DP 30 Anthony Braxton - Six Compositions (Quartet) 1984 - Black Saint Anthony Braxton - Quartet (London) 1985 - 2CD, Leo CD LR 200/201 Asia - 35DP 25 Barbra Streisand - Guilty - 35DP 7 Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits Volume 2 - 35DP 161 Barbra Streisand - The Way We Were - CK 32801/DIDP-20056 Beatles - Abbey Road - EMI CP35-3016 (Black Triangle) The Blue Nile - Hats (1989 US; Linn/A&M CD 5284) [PROMOTIONAL stamp on label], (1989 European; Linn/Virgin LXHCD2) Billy Joel - 52nd St. - 35DP 1 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - The Stranger - 35DP 2 Billy Joel - Glass Houses - 35DP 18 (Japan for Japan / Japan for US) Billy Joel - Songs In The Attic - 35DP 19 Billy Joel - The Nylon Curtain - 35DP 34 Billy Joel - Piano Man - CDCBS 80719 Japan for Europe with 35DP 109 in the matrix Black Sabbath (All) CLACD and NELCDs have it Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (Creative Sounds) Boz Scaggs - Middle Man - 35DP 3 Boz Scaggs - Hits! - 35DP 11 Boz Scaggs - Silk Degrees - 35DP 20 Bruce Springsteen - Born to Run - Columbia CK 33795 / 35DP 21 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness on the Edge of Town - CBS/Sony 32DP 351 Bruce Springsteen - Darkness On The Edge Of Town - Japan CBS For Europe DIDP matrix) Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.4 - CBS/Sony 35DC 117 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Bruckner: Symphony No.9 - CBS/Sony 35DC 114 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.2 - Columbia MK 42021 / 35DC 86 Bruno Walter/Columbia Symphony Orchestra - Brahms: Symphony No.3 - Columbia MK 42022 / 35DC 87 Bruno Walter/New York Philharmonic Orchestra - Mahler: Symphony No.2 - 2CD, CBS/Sony 56DC131~132 Electric Light Orchestra - Discovery - 35DP 24 / Austria, epic 450083 2/ JET-500 11 Electric Light Orchestra - Secret Messages - 35DP 72 Genesis - Genesis(S/T) WG Target and Vertigo 800 series CD's Go-Go's - Talk Show - 35DP 146 The Jacksons - Triumph - CDEPC 86112 (CSR Japan-for-Europe) Jeff Beck - There And Back - 35·8P-5 Jethro Tull - Minstrel in the Gallery - CDP 32 1082-2 Jethro Tull - The Broadsword and the Beast - CCD 1380 Jethro Tull - Under Wraps - Chrysalis 610 203 made in West-Germany (1984) Journey - Escape - 35DP 6 Klaus Schulze: Irrlicht (AVI CD) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (US Motown) Lionel Richie - Can't Slow Down (Motown MCD 06059MD Japan for U.S. CD) Mark Knopfler - Cal - Vertigo 822 769-2 Men At Work - Business As Usual - 35·8P-15 Men At Work - Cargo - CK 38660 (U.S) and 35 8P-16 (both have PE) Michael Jackson - Off the Wall - Epic/Sony Records ESCA 5407 made in Japan Michael Jackson - Thriller - 1982 Epic/CBS CDEPC 85930 (DI8P-11); matrix: 35 8P-11 111A2 +++++ Miles Davis - Agharta - 50DP 237~8 Miles Davis - Pangaea - 50DP 239~40 Miles Davis - the later 50DP 7xx series Miles Davis do not have PE Miles Davis - The Man With The Horn - 35DP 16 Miles Davis - Star People - 35DP 55 Miles Davis - Porgy and Bess - CBS/Sony 35DP 61 Miles Davis - Kind of Blue - Columbia CK 08163 / 35DP 62 does not have PE Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain - Columbia CK 08271 / 35DP 63 Miles Davis - Someday My Prince WIll Come - 35DP 64 Miles Davis - My Funny Valentine - CBS/Sony 35DP 65 Miles Davis - Four and More - 35DP 66 Miles Davis - Miles in Tokyo - CBS/Sony 35DP 67 Miles Davis - Miles in Berlin - CBS/Sony 35DP 68 Miles Davis - E.S.P. - CBS/Sony 35DP 69 Miles Davis - In a Silent Way - CBS/Sony 35DP 70 does not have PE Miles Davis - Decoy - 35DP 170 does not have PE Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells - WG CDV 2001 and Japan VJD-23001 New Order - Low Life - Factory Records import. I can't remember if it was French made or UK made. Nick Lowe - Pinker And Prouder Than Previous (1988 Demon Records, UK; FIEND CD 99) Norma Procter (contralto)/LSO/Jascha Horenstein -Mahler: Symphony 3 - 2CD, Unicorn-Kanchana UKCD 2006/7 Paul McCartney - Pipes of Peace - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Give my Regards to Broadstreet - CDP 7 46018 2 (Made in Japan) Paul McCartney - Tug of War - has pre-emphasis - My US-issued, Japan-made Columbia Tug of War CD does not have PE. But the Japanese black-triangle disc definitely does. Paul McCartney - Tug of War - CDP 4 46057 2 (Black Face made in Japan) Pink Floyd - Wish You Were Here - 35DP 4 Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon - CP35-3017 Pink Floyd - The Wall - 50DP 361~2 / CK2 and related masterings Pink Floyd - The Final Cut - 35DP 53 Police - Synchronicity - 38XB-2 (10 track) The 11-track 38XB-2 does not have PE Quarterflash - S/T - Japanese target pressing. REO Speedwagon - Hi Infidelity - 35·8P-4 Roger Waters - Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking - 35DP 149 Dutch EMI/Harvest (CDP 7 46029 2) / US Columbia/CBS (CK 39290) Santana - Shango - 35DP 23 Santana - Abraxas - 35DP 58 She's Having a Baby - OST Simon And Garfunkel - The Simon And Garfunkel Collection - 35DP 13 and CDCBS 24005 T Bone Burnett - T Bone Burnett (1986 Dot/MCA Records MCAD-5809) Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Southern Accents - MCAD-5486 (JVC Japan-for-USA) Toto - Turn Back - 35DP 5 Toto - IV - 35DP 12 Toto - Hydra - 35DP 42 Ultravox - Vienna / CCD 1296 (UK Chrysalis) Vangelis - Opera Sauvage (European CD, possibly the same one still in print now) Vangelis - L'Apocalypse des Animaux - Polydor 831 503-2 Velvet Underground - VU Weather Report - 8:30 - 50DP 133~4
I have The Move - The Collection 1986 Castle, made in Japan, and it has pre-emphasis. I think it's safe to assume that, based on the Black Sabbath CDs, all (or most) 1986 Castle CDs have pre-emphasis. Sorry if that was already mentioned in this thread.
I discovered (the hard way) a bug in 10.5 and 10.5.1 iTunes that creates unlistenable distortion when you play or import a CD with pre-emphasis. I was importing Men at Work's "Cargo" CK38660 U.S. Vers. Fixed now in 10.5.2 http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13999646&postcount=40 I thought it would be good if I passed it on.
Picked up today: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers: Southern Accents, MCAD-5486/DIDX-383, stated US-for-US w/no barcode and a stamped (JVC?) matrix code. PRE flag is missing from the TOC but present in the program area. I've added it to the release list. For what it's worth, I'm always looking for any missing info on releases that are already in the list, particularly things like matrix codes and whether or not the TOC and program area flags differ. You can post it here or message me directly.
