Essential Parlophone Beatles LP's?

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  1. Dean De Furia

    Dean De Furia Senior Member Thread Starter

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    I assume the Sgt Peppers and White MONO's. What else is a must have to complete a nice collection?
     
    Dean De Furia, Aug 16, 2004
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  2. Pug

    Pug The Prodigal Snob Returns!

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    The White Album mono is on Apple, not Parlophone.

    Short answer: All of them.

    Long Answer:
    Beatles for Sale (stereo)
    Rubber Soul
    Revolver
    Sgt. Pepper (Mono)

    Please, Please Me sounds better on Die Beatles
    With the Beatles you want the Canadian Beatlemania:With The Beatles
    A Hard Days Night I'm not sure what pressing is best. I have the y/b Parlophone so I never looked any further.

    Sean
     
    Pug, Aug 16, 2004
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  3. Doug Sclar

    Doug Sclar Forum Legend

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    No question about it. All of them. If you miss one let it be Let It Be.
     
    Doug Sclar, Aug 16, 2004
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  4. Sckott

    Sckott Hand Tighten Only.

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    Quick way: The BC13 box.

    Long way: the HorZu PPM and MMT, original Y/B Parlophones. And umm... it may take you a while.

    Quick reminder - Keep FAR away from the MFSL MMT. Boy, does it sucksucksucksuck.
     
    Sckott, Aug 16, 2004
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  5. Ryan

    Ryan That would be telling

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    All, Dean. Good Luck!

    And I started last night with a Stereo Help!, bought off forum member lennonfan.
     
    Ryan, Aug 16, 2004
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  6. Radiotron

    Radiotron Tube Designer

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    They're all essential! But it's true that "Die Beatles" and the German Horzu "Magical Mystery Tour" kick some serious butt!
     
    Radiotron, Aug 16, 2004
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  7. Pug

    Pug The Prodigal Snob Returns!

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    I would only say that it does suck, as opposed to sucksucksucksuck. It isn't that bad. think the best MoFi is "Abbey Road" but I digress.
     
    Pug, Aug 17, 2004
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  8. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Oh, boy, I disagree. It IS that bad.

    Try and follow this.

    Beatles record MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR.
    Stereo mix made for Parlophone EP, first generation.
    Stereo mix copied for Capitol, USA
    Stereo dub arrives at Capitol, USA, instantly redubbed again with Capitol "EQ".
    Songs for side two for the Capitol LP dubbed from whatever Capitol had lying around at the time, mainly mono made into FAKE STEREO.

    YEARS GO BY and EMI, UK decides to release the same MMT LP as USA Capitol released. Instead of recompiling the songs FROM THE MASTER TAPES IN THEIR OWN ABBEY ROAD TAPE LIBRARY THEY REQUEST DUB TAPES FROM US CAPITOL!!!!! Why?

    So:

    Capitol pulls third generation tape of MMT stereo, dupes it to a fourth generation dub tape and sends the dupe to EMI, UK including the bad fake stereo on side two.

    EMI marks this as MMT STEREO LP MASTER in Abbey Road tape vault. Can you believe that crazy s**t?

    Years go by and MoFi is doing the Beatles stuff on LP, they use, you guessed it, the dub of a dub of a dub of a dub of a dub that EMI has marked master, including the fake stereo.

    Why even bother to put the MoFi MMT on your turntable, man?
     
    Steve Hoffman, Aug 17, 2004
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  9. MMM

    MMM Forum Hall Of Fame

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    Steve, you forgot to add that you told MoFi not to use this ridiculous tape, but they went ahead and used it anyway. :shake:
     
    MMM, Aug 17, 2004
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  10. Ryan

    Ryan That would be telling

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    That is a lineage from Hell...

    Is the CD version of the stereo MMT EP part of all this? Or is it the original stereo Parlophone tape?
     
    Ryan, Aug 17, 2004
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  11. Randy W

    Randy W Original Member

    Beatles For Sale - Stereo
    Rubber Soul - Mono
    Revolver - both Mono and Stereo

    A Hard Days Night and Help in Stereo are also recommended

    As others have mentioned, you want Die Beatles (-2) over PPM and Beatlemania (narrow run out area) over WTB.
     
    Randy W, Aug 17, 2004
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  12. Pug

    Pug The Prodigal Snob Returns!

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    Makes a great turntable mat ;)

    Wow! I neverb realized that the MoFi MMT had THAT many layers of suck heaped upon. Sckott may have missed a suck or two in his post! :)

    In defense of the MoFi MMT, it did sound better than my beat up hand me down Capitol LP that I owned. ;)

    Sean
     
    Pug, Aug 17, 2004
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  13. Steve Hoffman

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    Yeah, I tried my darndest to get stop them from using that tape. Hell, even the Capitol dub tape stored in LA would have been three generations better. So wacky.
     
    Steve Hoffman, Aug 17, 2004
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  14. Steve Hoffman

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    Both CD versions use the original stereo master mixes. The EP box sounds a bit better to me and also includes the MONO mixes.
     
    Steve Hoffman, Aug 17, 2004
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  15. Pug

    Pug The Prodigal Snob Returns!

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    Did MoFi have to use that tape bacause it EMI insist that MoFi use the tape that EMI supplied, or were they just being too lazy to track down the tape at Capitol in LA?

    Sean
     
    Pug, Aug 17, 2004
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  16. Ryan

    Ryan That would be telling

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    That's what I thought. I like the EP CD versions of MMT and the set as a whole. It has its share of favorable reviews here.
     
    Ryan, Aug 17, 2004
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  17. Steve Hoffman

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    They just wanted the project out to make some money. The company at that time had:

    Record execs.

    Stan Ricker, engineer

    Sales dudes.

    No historian.

    Poor Stan, he wasn't expected to know, he just mastered what was put in front of him. Not his fault.

    My second to last "TELEX" to the MoFi exces was:

    YOU'RE MAKING A BIG, BIG, MISTAKE! PLEASE DON'T DO THIS!!!

    Their telex back to me was:

    "But it's marked MASTER" and it came from Abbey Road".

    My last telex to the MoFi execs was:

    "Just LISTEN to it; you can tell it's not the master, side two has FAKE STEREO on it. That's not an original tape".

    Their last telex to me:

    "Project completed, thanks for your concern."

    Oh well, I tried. I mean, I really tried. They just wouldn't believe me when I told them that there was no stereo LP master in England for MMT and they would have to actually assemble one from the master mixes.
     
    Steve Hoffman, Aug 17, 2004
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  18. quicksrt

    quicksrt Senior Member

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    So the German MMT on Apple/EMI/Electrola C 062-04-449 is the only time this title was mastered to LP using the correct tape in analog?

    I lucked out and picked up one in Stone Mint Condition (looks unplayed) with a slightly water damaged cover for $6.99 at Aron's. And it is the thick pressing with two sets of matrix numbers, so it is the real one.

    Jeff
     
    quicksrt, Aug 17, 2004
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  19. Doug Sclar

    Doug Sclar Forum Legend

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    Well my opinion is if there was one thing they didn't do too well, that was listen. Having a good process is not enough. They sure wouldn't believe me when I complained about the 120 cycle noise.

    They don't have to believe a word you say if they would just use their ears. Go figure.
     
    Doug Sclar, Aug 17, 2004
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  20. Steve Hoffman

    Steve Hoffman Your host Your Host

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    Yes. Hence it being talked about here so much.
     
    Steve Hoffman, Aug 17, 2004
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  21. John Oteri

    John Oteri New Member In Memoriam

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    STEVE: I've always forgotten to ask you, What happened to
    EMI's ORIGINAL MASTER of MMT?
    Why didn't they just use their own stuff instead
    of all the Capitol dubs?
    Please don't tell me they're THAT STUPID?
     
    John Oteri, Aug 17, 2004
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  22. john lennonist

    john lennonist There ONCE was a NOTE, PURE and EASY...

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    Randy,

    Are you referring to the Mono or Stereo "Beatlemania" as being better than its counterpart UK WTB?

    Thanks.
     
    john lennonist, Aug 17, 2004
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  23. Mark H

    Mark H Senior Member

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    I'm not Randy, but the version you want is the stereo, with the shorter run out groove. Nice wide stereo on this issue. Relatively cheap and easyto find on e-bay. It'll probably go nuts like the "Die Beatles" someday soon though!
     
    Mark H, Aug 17, 2004
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  24. Joe Koz

    Joe Koz Prodigal Bone Brother™ In Memoriam

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    I'm not Steve! But, to answer your question, it was out of laziness, IMO!
     
    Joe Koz, Aug 17, 2004
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  25. Pug

    Pug The Prodigal Snob Returns!

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    Thanks for the info Steve!

    A shame MoFi didn't do it right. Talk about a wasted opportunity.

    Sean
     
    Pug, Aug 17, 2004
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