Essential Barry Diament masterings

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  1. ivan_wemple

    ivan_wemple Senior Member

    This is a given (except for the RAM part). The de-encoded FLAC (i.e., the decoded WAV data) is definitely not written to the hard drive when FLAC is converted and played back in "real time".
     
  2. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi SuperFuzz,

    We're not considering downloads at the moment.

    In any event, since I consider FLAC a compromise, Soundkeeper will offer only raw, uncompressed AIF and WAV. The customer, of course, is free to compress the files if they so desire.



    I worked on that one well before CD, in the late '70s. I believe the '84 release is a re-issue (or perhaps its first release on CD). I worked on the tapes, assembling and editing the final masters.
    Dan is a walking encylopedia of music, particularly those wonderful blues masters. His knowledge only increased my appreciation of that music.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  3. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi aroney,

    I did the mastering for that one. It was one of the first projects I was hired to do after I left Atlantic to form BDA.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  4. DPM

    DPM Senior Member

    Location:
    Nevada, USA
    Barry, I just went through the entire thread and found that you DID have the original masters to work with for Bad Company's debut album. What about Straight Shooter? Did Atlantic supply you with the original masters or did you get tape copies?

    Also, thank you for taking the time to answer all of our questions. It's much appreciated.
     
  5. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    What is the full title for this one? Can it be added to the list if you have the CD version?
    Added. Thanks.


    Barry, someone mentioned in another thread that you mastered Bread's "Anthology". Is this correct? Thanks.


    a work in progress.



    AC/DC - If You Want Blood You've Got It
    AC/DC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
    AC/DC - Highway To Hell*
    AC/DC - Back In Black
    AC/DC - For Those About To Rock
    AC/DC - Who Made Who

    Bad CompanyBad Company*
    Bad CompanyStraight Shooter
    Bad Company10 From 6
    Bad Company - Run With The Pack
    Bad Company - Burnin' Sky (?)
    Bad Company - Desolation Angels (?)
    Bad Company - Rough Diamonds (?)
    Anita Baker - Rapture
    Bellvue Cadillac - Black and White*
    The Blues Brothers - Briefcase Full Of Blues
    Tommy Bolin - The Ultimate
    Edie Brickell & New Bohemians - Shooting Rubberbands At The Stars*
    Jackson Browne - Lives In The Balance
    Jackson Browne - Lawyers In Love

    John Cage & The Arditti Quartet - The Complete String Quartets, Vol. 1*
    The Call - Reconciled
    Chic - C'est Chic (?)
    The Coasters - The Ultimate Coasters* (Warner Special Products 9 27604-2)
    Phil Collins - Face Value*
    Phil Collins - Hello, I Must Be Going*
    Phil Collins - No Jacket Required
    Jim Croce - Photographs And Memories*
    Cowboy Mouth - Word of Mouth*
    Crosby, Stills & Nash - Crosby, Stills & Nash*
    Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Déjà vu
    Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - So Far
    The Cure - The Head On The Door

    Danzig - Danzig
    Bobby Darin - The Ultimate Bobby Darin* (Warner Special Products 9 27606-2)
    Dr. John - I did *something* Dr. John. (Great guy too!) - BD.
    Dokken - Under Lock And Key
    Dokken - Breaking The Chains

    The EaglesThe Eagles
    The Eagles Desperado
    The EaglesThe Long Run
    The Eagles - Their Greatest Hits*
    The Eagles - Greatest Hits Volume 2
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
    Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Brain Salad Surgery
    Enya - Watermark* (original and reissue with added tracks)

    The Firm - The Firm
    The Firm - Mean Business
    Roberta Flack - Killing Me Softly
    Foreigner - Foreigner
    Foreigner - Double Vision
    Foreigner - Head Games
    Foreigner - 4
    Foreigner - Agent Provocateur
    Frankie Goes To Hollywood - Liverpool (?)
    Aretha Franklin - best of (?)

    J. Geils Band - Best Of The J. Geils Band
    Genesis - A Trick Of The Tail 32VD-1023 (see bottom of page)
    Genesis - Duke
    Genesis - Abacab
    Genesis - Three Sides Live (US version with "Paperlate")
    Genesis - Genesis
    The Georgia Satellites - The Gerogia Satellites*
    Guns’N’Roses - Appetite For Destruction*
    Guns’N’Roses - G 'N' R Lies*

    Helldorado - Sinful Soul*
    Hex - Hex*

    INXS - Listen Like Thieves

    Grace Jones - Island Life
    Howard Jones - One To One
    Howard Jones - Dream Into Action

    Keeler - Autofocus
    Tommy Keene - Based On Happy Times*
    Rusty Kershaw - Now and Then*
    Kitaro - The Light Of The Spirit*
    KMFDM - Glory

    Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin
    Led Zeppelin - II
    Led Zeppelin - III
    Led Zeppelin - Houses Of The Holy
    Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
    Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains The Same
    Led Zeppelin - Presence
    Led Zeppelin - In Through The Out Door
    Led Zeppelin - Coda

    Bob Marley - Catch A Fire*
    Bob Marley - Burnin'*
    Bob Marley - Natty Dread*
    Bob Marley - Live!*
    Bob Marley - Rastaman Vibration*
    Bob Marley - Exodus *
    Bob Marley - Kaya*
    Bob Marley - Babylon By Bus*
    Bob Marley - Survival*
    Bob Marley - Uprising*
    Bob Marley - Confrontation*
    Bob Marley - Legend*
    Bob Marley - Rebel Music*

    Meatloaf - Blind Before I Stop*
    Mike + the Mechanics - Mike + the Mechanics
    Mike + the Mechanics - Living Years
    Mötley Crüe - Too Fast For Love

    Ivan Neville - Thanks*
    Gary Nicholson - The Sky's Not The Limit*
    Stevie Nicks - Belladonna
    Stevie Nicks - The Wild Heart
    Nico - The Marbel Index*
    Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine*
    Nu Shooz - Poolside
    Ted Nugent - Little Miss Dangerous*

    Of Cabbages And Kings - Hunter's Moon*
    Of Cabbages And Kings - Never Too Late*
    Onyan Art - Reagge Rock*
    Benjamin Orr - The Lace

    Robert Palmer - Pressure Drop
    Robert Palmer - Sneakin' Sally Through The Alley
    Robert Palmer - Pride
    Robert PalmerRiptide
    Robert Plant - Pictures At Eleven
    Robert Plant - The Principle Of Moments

    The Rascals - Ultimate Rascals* (Warner Special Products 9 27605-2 this one )
    Ratt - Dancing Undercover
    Otis Redding - Ultimate Otis Redding* (Warner Special Products 9 27608-2)
    Rock City Angels - Young Man's Blues
    Linda Ronstadt - Simple Dreams
    Linda Ronstadt - What's New
    Linda Ronstadt - Lush Life
    Linda Ronstadt - For Sentimental Reasons

    Simply Red - Picture Book
    Simply Red - Men And Women
    Simply Red - A New Flame
    Simply Red - Stars
    Simply Red - "You've Got It" CD single* (four songs total including a live "Holding Back the Years" and "I Wish").
    Slayer - South Of Heaven*
    Slayer - Reign in Blood*
    Stacey Q - Better Than Heaven
    Subdudes - Lucky*
    The Sun And The Moon - Sun And The Moon*

    Dr. Fiorella Terenzi - Music From The Galaxies*
    Tesla - The Great Radio Controversy
    Pete Townshend - Psychoderelict* (several versions for Atlantic, including original, censored dialog and cassette!)
    Pete Townshend - White City*
    Pete Townshend - Deep End Live
    Pete Townshend - Scoop*
    Pete Townshend - Another Scoop*

    Underworld - Born Slippy*

    U2 - Boy
    U2 - October
    U2 - War
    U2 - Under A Blood Red Sky

    Jason Vitelli - No Photographs*

    Work Of Art - Lift* (Soundkeeper Recordings - SR4001)
    Work Of Art - Simplicity* (Sword in the Stone Records - SSR54)
    Work Of Art - Waves* (Sword in the Stone Records - SSR56)

    Yes - The Yes Album
    Yes - Fragile
    Yes - Close To The Edge
    Yes - Drama
    Yes - Tormato
    Yes - Classics

    Warren Zevon - A Quiet Normal Life: The Best Of Warren Zevon*

    Various artists - Atlantic Soul Classics (Warner Special Products 9-27601-2)
    Various Artists - Superstars in Digital (Warner Special Products 9 27600-2 - "possibly")
    Various artists - Stand By Me (soundtrack)
    Various artists - Woodstock - Music From The Original Soundtrack And More


    *From the original master tapes -- Eagles/Jim Croce: "Analog "best of"s were usually created by copying from the originals and assembling the copies into a new album so that would have been 1:1 from the originals..." - BD.


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    CDs NOT mastered by Barry Diament

    Yes - Yessongs

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    Genesis: "I did create CD masters for all --or almost all-- of the Genesis albums not long after I left Atlantic in the late '80s. Since I never received copies of pressings, I do not know if any of the masters I sent were ever used for CD production." - BD.

    See posts #222-228 & post #717 .
     
  6. Gatos21

    Gatos21 Member

    Location:
    California
    It's my understanding that FLAC files are typically decompressed by the listening program (i.e., foobar2000) into RAM in advance as the files are cued up so that there is no decompression taking place in real time while listening (unless you are using a rather outdated or slow system).

    That being the case there shouldn't be any audible difference between playing FLAC, ALAC, AIF, WAV, or any other lossless format with current audio software. There's an ABX plugin for foobar2000 for comparisons as well.

    Any audible difference is most likely caused by an issue in the software chain such as replaygain, codecs, buffer settings, etc.

    Of course there are plenty of people with opinions on both sides of this issue so just my 2 cents.

    Some discussion on the topic over at Head-Fi
    http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/fl...rences-366271/

    This post says it best IMHO
    http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f46/f...ising-quality-differences-366271/#post4772339
     
  7. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi DPM,

    I might have had the originals but I'm not sure. Wish I could remember. Sorry. A quarter century of projects between then and now. Many of the earlier memory cells have left town. :sigh:

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  8. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi Darcy,

    I had nothing to do with the CD on the Lowell Fulson. I worked on assembling and editing the master tapes several years before I mastered my first CD.



    It is possible. Haven't heard that one in a quarter century. I'm sorry to have to say it is another example that is just outside the area of accessible memories.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  9. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi Gatos21,


    I used the term "real-time" to differentiate between expansion as an off-line process and one that occurs while the file is being listened to. Call it "on-the-fly" if you like. To me, relative to a completely off-line process, this is a real-time process.

    As to what there "should" or "shouldn't" be, I always say, "Should and is are very often two different things." I was listening via different software, none of which employs anything like replay gain.

    Like many things in audio, I've found different folks are sensitive to different aspects of sound and less sensitive to others. Some folks say they don't hear a difference between FLAC and WAV or AIF. In my listening tests (using a good variety of the same software I use in my recording, editing and mastering work, trying all sorts of FLAC encode settings to create the test files), it took only seconds for everyone in the listening panel to hear the sonic price exacted by the so-called "lossless" file.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  10. fredhammersmith

    fredhammersmith Forum Resident

    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec
    Barry, can u elaborate on that sonic price?
    Many heated debates about it, but I like it that you always tell what your ears hear, not what they expect to hear.
     
  11. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi fredhammersmith,

    I and my listening partners all described it very similarly.
    In my own words, the sound got slightly harder and brighter.

    The tests used many different files, including recordings I made myself and the results were consistent, regardless of the recording, the software used or the settings.

    Again, not a night and day difference but an easily audible one, sufficient to deter me from using it for my own listening or from anything Soundkeeper does.

    Just my perspective, of course.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  12. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    This is not surprising really.
    No non-linear coded audio format is going to sound as good as LPCM in direct real-time playback comparisons. Even with lossless, the audio data is yet another step removed from the audio clock.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  13. vonwegen

    vonwegen Forum Resident Thread Starter

    Which CD version of Robert Palmer - Sneakin' Sally Through The Alley did Barry master?
     
  14. PaulB

    PaulB Forum Resident

    Location:
    Toronto
    I thought Back in Black was mastered from original master tapes? Eagles Greatest Hits confirmed to be compiled from original master tapes?
     
  15. Downsampled

    Downsampled Senior Member

    I believe that's what Barry is saying here. (As well as for For Those About To Rock...)
     
  16. pig whisperer

    pig whisperer CD Member

    Location:
    Tokyo, Japan
    My mistake. I'll have to correct the list. Back In Black is "perhaps" and The Eagles is "think" (see note about compilations). "For Those About To Rock" should be checked instead of "Highway To Hell" according to the list I was given. It could change...

    ...a work in progress


    Also, the mastering for disc one of the original CD version of Genesis' "Three Sides Live" -- the set which has ALL live tracks on disc two -- is the same as the version Barry did according to EAC numbers (Barry confirmed he did the version with "Paperlate"/studio tracks on disc two).

    Disc two with "Paperlate" and disc two from the ALL live version are not the same.
     
  17. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    I just listened to The Call's "Reconciled" with Sennheiser "neautral" headphones. All I can say is WOW!!! Barry kicked this masterings ****! Barry I know you are a humble guy, but you are amazing my friend! :righton:
     
  18. CardinalFang

    CardinalFang New Member

    Location:
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    They were great recordings anyway. Rob Eaton engineered some great recordings in the 80s.

    Not to take away from Barry's work, but the credit for those Call albums must really go to Eaton. Barry, did you have to do much with those tapes?
     
  19. George P

    George P Notable Member

    Location:
    NYC
    IMO, any mastering engineer in this day in age who presents the recordings that he is given in the best possible light, whether it sounded great to begin with or not, deserves much praise. We've seen so many great recordings get harmed by poor mastering that simply not doing harm is something that should not be taken for granted.
     
  20. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    I agree it was recorded very well :righton:
     
  21. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    Agreed :righton:
     
  22. bdiament

    bdiament Producer, Engineer, Soundkeeper

    Location:
    New York
    Hi Keith,


    Indeed. I've always said that 90-95% of a recording's potential sound quality is already determined by the time the signal leaves the microphones.

    I didn't have anything to do with the tapes except using them to create the CD master. As always, I just sought to bring out the best in what was already there and then get out of the way.

    Best regards,
    Barry
    www.soundkeeperrecordings.com
    www.barrydiamentaudio.com
     
  23. steeler1979

    steeler1979 Darren from Nashville

    Location:
    Nashville,Tn. USA
    Well you must know when to get out of the way because Barry I have never heard a bad master job by you my friend. Thank you! :thumbsup:
     
  24. Mikey Ramone

    Mikey Ramone New Member

    Location:
    Saint Paul
    I have seen reference to a Diament mastered AC/DC High Voltage disc. Is there such an animal? If so you should add it to the list.
     
  25. TMan

    TMan Forum Resident

    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Shouldn't Back in Black and For Those About to Rock have an asterisk for original master tape? Barry has said on numerous occasions that he had 1/2" tape for those.

    Also if there is a place where Barry indicated he had the original tapes for Highway to Hell I didn't see it, but saw a couple of other comments questioning that asterisk.

    Barry has said that he is pretty sure he did Flick of the Switch, so that should probably be added to the list, maybe with a caveat that it is not 100% certain.
     
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