jethro tull - teacher - i'm confused

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"Seventeen" was originally about 6 minutes long and was only mixed into mono. It didn't make it onto the "Living In The Past" LP for unknown reasons, but it may well be that Ian doesn't like it. It did get onto the "20 Years" box, but in a shorter fade drenched in reverb. Seems Ian didn't even want to try to remix it into stereo. There's an even worse sounding version of that on the remastered "Stand Up" CD.

 

The bonus track? IIRC, the "Benefit" remaster bonus tack has the "LITP" mix and not the one found on the U.S. Chrysalis version of "Benefit". The bonus track is also a bit shorter than the MoFi. Does this check out?

MoFi (& remaster bonus track):

piano: right
vocals: center
guitar: left
bass: center
second guitar (that comes in at the vocal): right


Is there an original non-remastered CD with the UK track listing? I remember buying "Benefit" at Tower Records in Tokyo in the early ninties. I think I had a choice between a copy with "Teacher" and a copy without (but I could be wrong on this one).

 

IIRC, I believe you are correct when it comes to "Teacher"

There was an original UK "Benefit" without "Teacher" from my understanding.
Also I have "Benefit" from the Original's box with the UK track listing.

 

Thanks. I just re-read the earlier post and see you mentioned it (as did yesstiles - too many versions to keep track of). I assume the UK Chrysalis is the one Roland wrote doesn't sound as good as the US Chrysalis. How does the version from the "Originals" box compare with the others?

 

The version of Teacher on the remaster and on LITP do not sound like the same version to me. For one...the LITP version is running slower, and secondly it sounds like it's got much more reverb on it. The instrumentation layout is the same....but the overall mix is way different.

Yes...there is a non-remastered CD with the original UK track listing. I have a German Chrysalis from the 80's with the original track listing. When comparing to the US Chrysalis...the common tracks don't sound as warm. It's a little brighter overall. Not terrible though.

 

Not to answer for Tootull...but I have that one as well. It's a little smiley faced IMO. It's got a little NR on it as well IIRC.

 

Thanks for the ears. The remaster version also fades earlier. The speed is a bit different. I think that by the end of the song (where the remaster fades) instrumental "cues" that are half a second apart by the first minute are two seconds apart by the end. Something like that.


How many different versions of "Teacher" are there now? I am getting dizzy. Time to just listen and forget about it.

 

Yes, I forgot that I noticed the slower start speed (MFSL) - I mentioned it earlier.

Original's box version gives me the same impression as this.
"When comparing to the US Chrysalis...the common tracks don't sound as warm. It's a little brighter overall. Not terrible though."

 

Looks like I'll be sticking with the US Chrysalis.

I also remember "A Song For Jeffrey" on "Living In The Past" OR the 2 CD "The Best Of Tull - The Anniversary Collection" has reverse channels. I don't know which one is correct as I've never owned Tull's "This Was" album.

 

Yeah...it's pretty crazy.
BTW...
Teacher on Benefit remaster=3:49
Teacher on LITP=4:11

 

The Anniversary Collection matches the US and German Chrysalis version of This Was. And that matches my original vinyl of that album. LITP/MFSL has the channels switched...and that also matches the way it was on the original LITP vinyl. So, it was screwed up way back then.

 

Screwed up? Naaaaw, they did that to get the remix credit for the album .

Thanks for the info.


edit: a fun thread might be the differences between the "Living In The Past" album and the original albums. Other than noticing "Teacher" and "Song For Jeffrey," I haven't paid much attention to it.

 

"This Was" is best in mono. *CD Except for the vocal on "A Song For Jeffrey" strangely enough.

I did not use the word "exorcise" lightly.

Right back at ya!

 

Re "Song For Jeffrey": on my copy of This Was (Reprise), the vocal is on the left for the first verses, but in the center for the last verse. Also, the guitar and flute pan and switch channels for the flute solo, and the guitar jumps channels for the last verse. In LITP these elements are in the same place in the stereo mix throughout the song.

 

I agree -- that "A Song For Jeffrey" vocal on the mono CD blasts yer brains out!

What's the preferred version of "A Song For Jeffrey," anywhere, vinyl or CD, mono or stereo?
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This is why I think this is the only remix on LITP (first-time stereo tracks nonwithstanding).

 

On CD The MoFi will do for "A Song For Jeffrey"
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3567541&postcount=287

Known mixes for "A Song For Jeffrey":
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showpost.php?p=3575354&postcount=294

 

Where does the mix for "Teacher" come from if it isn't a remix for the album?

What do you have?


"Teacher" from my U.S. Chrysalis:

piano: left of center (between the bass and guitar)
vocals: center and right
guitar: left
bass: center
second guitar (that comes in at the vocal): right


"Teacher" from my MoFi (remix for the LITP album?):

piano: right
vocals: center
guitar: left
bass: center
second guitar (that comes in at the vocal): right

 

A couple questions I've been meaning to ask.

The U.S. and U.K. vinyl pressings of "Living In The Past" have slightly different track listings. Is this the only difference? Do any of the songs common to the U.S. and U.K. vinyl pressings use different mixes?

Which songs were released in stereo for the first time on this compilation?

 

A Christmas Song
Love Story
Living In The Past
Driving Song
Sweet Dream
Witch's Promise (remixed)(previously issued in stereo in Europe, but US single was mono)

First appearance anywhere:

Singing All Day
Just Trying To Be
Wond'ring Again
(plus the live side)

 

Thank you. I didn't know there was a mono "Living In The Past" (actually, I've never heard the singles and didn't know mono versions existed for any of these).

 

Stumbled on a Daffodil which he crush in the rush....

I think those last three (FAA) tracks... (right above) are three of my all-time fave Tull tracks and one of the reasons I love this sweet collection so....

The lyrics and playing (especially the mid-section playing) in Wond'ring Again are perfection and so sublime and emotional... a very top tull tune for me...



mrbill

 

Yep.

Wond'ring Again kills the lame re-do on the Aqualung album.

 

Probably Ian's best singing ever.