It says "Printed in Western Germany by TOPAC" but my version has no smooth-sided jewel case. Matrix is SONOPRESS 610 016.
CCD 1380 My fave Broadsword and the Beast No pre-emphasis Track 1 Filename Track01.wav Peak level 55.9 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC BA2C5655 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [3A461CEC] Copy OK Track 2 Filename Track02.wav Peak level 80.4 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC D7F9B066 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [797627DA] Copy OK Track 3 Filename Track03.wav Peak level 86.3 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 32872C68 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [8B116938] Copy OK Track 4 Filename Track04.wav Peak level 65.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC DF22B2FA Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [64276172] Copy OK Track 5 Filename Track05.wav Peak level 76.9 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 804D0CA5 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [6ED0AD88] Copy OK Track 6 Filename Track06.wav Peak level 66.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 0716F090 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [A05136ED] Copy OK Track 7 Filename Track07.wav Peak level 74.6 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 0907C60B Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [51158AE2] Copy OK Track 8 Filename Track08.wav Peak level 63.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 1D5A0B69 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [535F7901] Copy OK Track 9 Filename Track09.wav Peak level 90.3 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 05DBF318 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [4F46AB59] Copy OK Track 10 Filename Track10.wav Peak level 30.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC C5288475 Accurately ripped (confidence 8) [C12FCE36] Copy OK All tracks accurately ripped No errors occurred End of status report
My preferred version of this is the current remaster. I've not heard too many others, but this is the only one I find somewhat appealing. I just got a copy of the MFSL from Ebay for $60. Hopefully, that's a decent price. Of the 2 other versions I have, I prefer the version that comes in "The Originals" box set. Not loud...nice midrange. The remaster here is a bit loud and a bit smiley faced. Again, my preference is the version that comes with The Originals. It might be the UK Chrysalis that you speak of, because it does sound a few cents slower on certain tracks, than other versions. But, it does have the original running order, which I like. The problem with the US Chrysalis, is that it sounds like a poorly edited mulit-generation LP master. Listen to the very first note of "For Michael Collins...". The initial attack of the acoustic guitar is completely missing compared to all other versions. It seems as if they went in between songs and tried to "clean things up". I have to go with the DCC here. I have never heard this album sound so good. Steve really rescued it, and thankfully was persistent enough to wait for the master tapes.
that's me. how do i go about this? also, I am interested in selling this CD. PM me if anyone is interested.
tootull's favorite CD versions of Jethro Tull albums This Was - Remaster Stand Up - MFSL UD Benefit - Originals box Aqualung - UK blue Living In The Past - MFSL UD II Thick As A Brick - MFSL UD A Passion Play - MFSL UD II WarChild - MFSL UD II - UK CD is OK but the MoFi is super. Minstrel In The Gallery - Made in Japan for UK Chrysalis Too Old To Rock 'N' Roll - UK Chrysalis Songs From The Wood - MFSL UD II Heavy Horses - Remaster Stormwatch - Remaster A - Remaster The Broadsword And The Beast - Made in W. Germany for UK Chrysalis Under Wraps - Made in W. Germany for UK Chrysalis - but I love the bass on the remaster. Crest Of A Knave - Remaster Rock Island - Remaster Catfish Rising - Remaster or original CD (still deciding ) Roots To Branches - Original CD
I am pretty sure this CD has pre-emphasis. EAC might not show it (says there is no pre-emphasis), but when you rip the files to wav or mp3 and play them back on the computer or on a CD-R with the PE flag not set, it does sound much much brighter.
OK, Roland. EAC is not reliable? (says there is no pre-emphasis) I have the original USA Stormwatch - I'll need to revisit this, again. Broadsword And The Beast WG CCD 1380 has good sound when turned up loud, the USA CD had sound issues, the same poor sound issues as with the USA Minstrel In The Gallery. shh: read the web) I decided on some of these Jethro Tull CD issues more than a decade ago. (Sans remasters) The Aqualung remaster has been in print for 10 years. NUTS! The question as to why others like the Thick As A Brick remaster - for me it's the vocal, I just like the sound of the vocal. Though, believe me, the MoFi Thick As A Brick is in heavy rotation 'round here. cheers!
Stormwatch USA CD Stormwatch VK 41238 DIDX 002945 .... not too shabby. Track 1 Filename Track01.wav Peak level 67.1 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 5ED50ABF Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [19670848] Copy OK Track 2 Filename Track02.wav Peak level 62.4 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC BABE42B4 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [D887273A] Copy OK Track 3 Filename Track03.wav Peak level 54.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC FABD3177 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [B032B61F] Copy OK Track 4 Filename Track04.wav Peak level 62.4 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 0B1579F5 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [4F221A3B] Copy OK Track 5 Filename Track05.wav Peak level 68.8 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 951C39FD Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [DF32B85B] Copy OK Track 6 Filename Track06.wav Peak level 63.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 1A9396BA Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [9D94E1AA] Copy OK Track 7 Filename Track07.wav Peak level 53.4 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 4549D5B2 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [A2AB45C9] Copy OK Track 8 Filename Track08.wav Peak level 50.3 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC AB5B3480 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [6853261B] Copy OK Track 9 Filename Track09.wav Peak level 56.9 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC E1ABBCB5 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [A72D2355] Copy OK Track 10 Filename Track10.wav Peak level 35.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC D2CF6DC0 Accurately ripped (confidence 5) [698229CA] Copy OK All tracks accurately ripped No errors occurred End of status report
MFSL Thick as a Brick is one of my favorite CDs. A perfect combination of an amazing album with fantastic sound.
I just did some more critical listening for this album tonight. As I already mentioned, the Japan for UK version without pre-emphasis is way too bright for my liking. I personally prefer the German Chrysalis version with catalog number 252 662. I think it sounds great, not too bright but plenty of detail. You can hear some tape hiss, and it sounds very open and natural to me. It has the breath of life which is missing a little bit from the UK Chrysalis (the one with PE). I will still have to compare it again to my friends US Chrysalis version. I also heard the remaster before, and it was way too bright for my liking. All in all, that German Chrysalis is a nice version to have in my opinion.
These peak levels are identical to my UK Chrysalis 32 CDP version. Just like with "Songs From The Wood" the UK and the US Chrysalis have apparently the same mastering. Still need to find out for "Heavy Horses". Anybody has the US Chrysalis and could check the peak levels? I don't have the UK Chrysalis anymore, because I preferred the German Chrysalis.
Roland, I'm glad I kept the USA Stormwatch CD. I've never heard the original USA HH. The WG HH (sold it) was too dull sounding for my taste. Happy New Year
I don't have a WG Heavy Horses, just a regular German Chrysalis 252 666. Are you referring to that one? It doesn't sound dull to me at all. Nice and warm, nice detail without sounding goosed in the EQ department. In case you're used to the sound of the remaster of HH - which is quite bright sounding in my opinion - you might think any of the original releases sound a little dark. If you want me to post a sample of the German Chrysalis, please let me know. Happy New Year to you also!
I'm referring to the HH WG CD that was intended for the UK market. This title was really lacking when compared to the Canadian vinyl, which has great sounding bass, that put me off the CD right away. I put in the hide because I would like to revisit this title. My opinion on this is a decade old by now. BTW: I had the same view of the Stormwatch CD and it was you that caused me to revisit this title with ummm "new" ears. I thank you for that and overall I'm revisiting the original CD's because of you. So there you go.
Owais helped me on Stormwatch. At first I thought the German Chrysalis was better than the UK Chrysalis. He told me he thought the other way, and I did revisit the two versions based on his remarks, and now I like the UK Chrysalis (which is the same as the US Chrysalis) better than the German Chrysalis (which is also not bad but sounds a little goosed up and a tad less natural), Owais also told me that he prefers the UK Chrysalis over the German Chrysalis for some other albums (Too Old To...; Heavy Horses), but my preference remains for the German Chrysalis for these two albums even after another comparison.
Gentlemen, I have U.S. Chrysalis discs of HH, Stormwatch and a few others. Are you using EAC to post peak levels? Is that a free download? If so, I'd be happy to put it on my machine and post a few peak levels to add to the discussion. I haven't played much Tull in awhile, but I don't recall thinking too much of the sound of Stormwatch. . .
I recently received the MoFo "Living In The Past". I think my expectations were a bit too high based on what I have read about the MoFi and I am a bit disappointed. It is more detailed than my Chrysalis, but doesn't have the warmth of the Chrysalis and sounds a bit clinical to me at times. I like Anderson's vocal on the Chrysalis. I'll have to spend more time listening to both of these... I like the U.S. "Stand Up" more than the U.K. version (who mastered these?). I'll keep my U.S. copy and skip the MoFi.
By popular demand, the EAC report from my un-remastered U.S. Chrysalis Heavy Horses cd (F2 21175/DIDX 2943): Track 1 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 01. .... And The Mouse Police Never Sleeps.wav Peak level 73.3 % Track quality 99.9 % Test CRC B4BDBA71 Copy CRC B4BDBA71 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [1AFCE1BB] Copy OK Track 2 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 02. Acres Wild.wav Peak level 73.5 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 122A40F7 Copy CRC 122A40F7 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [54A60568] Copy OK Track 3 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 03. No Lullaby.wav Peak level 82.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC F437E7D1 Copy CRC F437E7D1 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [E33898BA] Copy OK Track 4 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 04. Moths.wav Peak level 74.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 8C751515 Copy CRC 8C751515 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [671F4B07] Copy OK Track 5 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 05. Journeyman.wav Peak level 79.8 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC AEC29DC6 Copy CRC AEC29DC6 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [48CD7378] Copy OK Track 6 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 06. Rover.wav Peak level 83.9 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 514F0D1B Copy CRC 514F0D1B Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [A933FE3A] Copy OK Track 7 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 07. One Brown Mouse.wav Peak level 79.7 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 427AB57D Copy CRC 427AB57D Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [C956CC9F] Copy OK Track 8 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 08. Heavy Horses.wav Peak level 96.0 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 42C636E8 Copy CRC 42C636E8 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [7E978B03] Copy OK Track 9 Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses - 09. Weathercock.wav Peak level 78.8 % Track quality 100.0 % Test CRC 87C0A9D8 Copy CRC 87C0A9D8 Accurately ripped (confidence 7) [D6D866BA] Copy OK All tracks accurately ripped No errors occurred End of status report
Sorry to threadcrap but since you are talking about the Heavy Horses album, was Acres Wild remixed on the remastered CD? Supposedly it is missing some string parts. There was some talk on the Jethro Tull forum about this, but nothing conclusive. I've never heard it myself. Am I crazy or has anyone else heard of this or heard it himself?
