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rpd
10-14-2006, 08:43 PM
If I play the Harvest DVD-A on a Sony DVD player, that of course does not play DVD-A, what layer am I hearing????

downhill
10-14-2006, 08:49 PM
If it's surround, probably the Dolby Digital layer.

Pinknik
10-14-2006, 08:52 PM
That, or possibly the 24/96 (assuming it has that) if it's just stereo.

rpd
10-14-2006, 08:52 PM
I do not have a surround set up either...listening on headphones at the moment...

The display says DVD and it also says "Digital" with the dolby sign right before it...

So this must be the "DVD-Video compatible" Dolby Digital layer....is this basically rebook????

downhill
10-14-2006, 08:53 PM
I was just taking a guess he was talking about surround. After looking around, seems it had a DTS layer. Not sure if it also has a Dolby Digital layer.

*edited* I posted too late. Seems it does have a Dolby Digital layer since your listening to it.

ashlee5
10-14-2006, 08:56 PM
It sounds like you don't have the monitor hooked up to your Sony either. The default for the Harvest (DVD-V layer) must be surround and you're listening to the fold-down of the Dolby Surround.

If you fidget with your menu buttons on your remote, you should be able to find the stereo option ... in which case a PCM light should be on (or at least the Dolby light will be off).

unipanthers
10-14-2006, 10:32 PM
Dolby Digital or stereo; you're not going to hear the high rez layer.

GabeG
10-15-2006, 12:05 AM
That disc does not have a pcm option on the dvd-v offering. You are hearing either a downmix of the dolby or dts surround mix or the 2 channel dolby mix.

Technically, while a dvd may have two layers, each option is not considered a layer, they are different subsets of the same data pool.

Kent Teffeteller
10-15-2006, 07:17 AM
Hi,

Your Sony can't play the high rez section of the disc. Just the 2 channel Dolby Digital or DTS 2 channel downmix. You need a DVD-Audio capable player to play the high resolution tracks. A Panasonic DVD-A player is cheap and does nice work playing them.

Robert Lan
10-15-2006, 07:51 AM
The default for the Harvest (DVD-V layer) must be surround and you're listening to the fold-down of the Dolby Surround.

If you fidget with your menu buttons on your remote, you should be able to find the stereo option ... in which case a PCM light should be on (or at least the Dolby light will be off).

That's exactly right. In a 2-channel DVD-V player, the disc defaults in Dolby 5.1 fold-down. The disc also has a Dolby stereo track, but you must first select it from the menu to hear it.

nukevor
07-15-2007, 12:10 AM
Glad this thread is still open.

It is possible to play/switch between the Dolby and/or DTS layers on "Harvest" without a video monitor when using the Sony MEX-DV2000, a SACD/DVD-V player for the car?
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=116380&highlight=sony+sacd+car

For that mattter, can any DVD-A disc that includes a DTS and/or Dolby layer play on the Sony MEX-DV2000 without a monitor?

shokhead
07-15-2007, 05:35 AM
What a surprise to Sony if it was the DVD-A playing. LOL Got to add a few more speakers to enjoy.

nukevor
07-15-2007, 06:33 PM
If I play the Harvest DVD-A on a Sony DVD player, that of course does not play DVD-A, what layer am I hearing????

Glad this thread is still open.

It is possible to play/switch between the Dolby and/or DTS layers on "Harvest" without a video monitor when using the Sony MEX-DV2000, a SACD/DVD-V player for the car?
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=116380&highlight=sony+sacd+car

For that mattter, can any DVD-A disc that includes a DTS and/or Dolby layer play on the Sony MEX-DV2000 without a monitor?

Well, I saw the Harvest DVD-A in a used record store today. At 12 bucks I couldn't pass it up! It was re-shrink wrapped but still in near mint condition. Anyway, back to my question:

It is possible to play/switch between the Dolby and/or DTS layers on "Harvest" without a video monitor when using the Sony MEX-DV2000, a SACD/DVD-V player for the car?

On front of the package itself it says: "This disc will only play on CD players with a DVD Logo..." On the back it has specs for DTS and Dolby Digital Surround. So I think I'm covered. Then again...

Hi,

Your Sony can't play the high rez section of the disc. Just the 2 channel Dolby Digital or DTS 2 channel downmix. You need a DVD-Audio capable player to play the high resolution tracks...

I'm perfectly fine having Dolby Digital or the DTS 2-channel down mix for the car. As long as it sounds remotely better than the conventional CD.

Taurus
07-15-2007, 08:44 PM
More confusing stuff to consider, though this has to do with the dvd format itself, rather than dvd-audio: unless standards have changed recently, when a standard dvd player downmixes a 5.1 Dolby Digital track to stereo, it leaves out the LFE channel.

The standard was written that way because it was assumed that the analog stereo output would be directly connected to a TV. And since most TVs only have small, lightly-built speakers and if say an adventure movie's LFE signal* with all its extreme low bass frequencies were allowed to reach them, they would quickly become overloaded and produce very audible distortion (and possibly be damaged).

---> I am not sure if this occurs with a DTS track.

So........if a dvd-audio's Dolby surround mix features bass effects specific to the LFE channel, well, you're not going to hear them.

BUT.....many mixes only use the LFE channel to accentuate bass that is already present in the other channels (the Moody Blues DTS-CDs for example or the DSOTM quadraphonic (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655946) dvd-audio), so in this case losing that channel is not a problem.

When receivers and other Dolby/DTS processors downmix, that can be a different story. On my own receiver, after some informal testing - listening to and watching the woofer cones - it looked like it kept the LFE in the 2.0 mix (I did this by setting the surround, center and subwoofer channels to "NO" in its speaker set-up menu).

* an extreme example of this: on the DTS track of War Of The Worlds, if I remember correctly HT hobbyists have found it reaches all the way down to 14Hz.