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GoldenBoy
12-04-2002, 11:44 AM
Some of you are familiar with the situation I was in from the 'Multichannel Dilema' thread I started, so I thought I'd update you all on my situation.

First off, thanks again everybody for all the help and suggestions. I finally did it. I decided on an A/V receiver. After carefully considering the Pioneer Elite 43TX, and 45TX as well as the Sony ES STR-DA2ES, STR-DA4ES and STR-DA7ES, I went with the Sony 4ES and ordered one up just a few minutes ago from Oade. Although I thought the sound of the Pioneers were really nice when I auditioned them (something I did for the Sonys and Pioneers 3 different times at 3 different locations), the sound of the Sonys, especially the 4ES and 7ES, just jumped out at me. They seemed more clear and open to me. What ultimately tipped the scales in Sony's favour for me, besides the sound, was the feature set. I just needed the 2 multichannel inputs on the Sony's for my SACD and DVD-A players. The Pioneers could not provide this for me.

My speaker problem was solved when I finally found a Tannoy consumer products dealer. So I figure for 2-channel listening, I can use the 4ES's pre-out capability and use it as just a pre and send the signal to my 2-channel power-amp. This way, I had only to purchase 2 rear speakers and a sub. I went with a pair of Tannoy Mercury series MX-1's( to match up with my pair of Tannoy Reveal) and a JBL PB10 powered sub. I figure I can always use 2 of my Cambridge Soundworks surrounds for the additional 1 or 2 channels in 6.1 or 7.1 mode respectively. As that would only be for movies, I'm not that concerned with it. I was more concerned with trying to match up surrounds to my Reveals and incorporating them into my multichannel setup for 5.1 playback of SACD's and, to a lesser extent, DVD-A's.

If I find over time that I am not satisfied with the sound of the Sony as a pre-amp for stereo playback, I could buy a new set of speakers and go back to using my B&K pre, and just using the Reveals for multi through the Sony. So, though I did not fulfill my dream of finding a receiver with a speaker pass through allowing me to use both systems independently while having my Tannoys serve double duty, I think the pre-out feature is a pretty good compromise.

In the meantime, I have finally upgraded my very poor multichannel gear so that I can enjoy Hi-Rez 5.1, be it SACD or DVD-A, in all its glory - and all is well for now my friends. :)

Sckott
12-04-2002, 11:55 AM
Glad to have you on that page :)

I didn't look hard into the post, so forgive me, but does your setup do DTS?

GoldenBoy
12-04-2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Sckott
Glad to have you on that page :)

I didn't look hard into the post, so forgive me, but does your setup do DTS?

Are you refering to the receiver? If so, then, yes, it does. To be exact, it does dts, dts-ES(Matrix 7.1), dts-96/24, dts - Neo:6 as well as DD Pro Logic II and DD EX, of course.

Gary
12-04-2002, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the update. I'll have to consider this route, too.

Todd Fredericks
12-04-2002, 01:17 PM
Golden Boy, that sounds like a great receiver. You're so right that it's a major plus having the 2 sets of 5.1 inputs. As for your B&K preamp, you could use that primarily for your 2 ch sound and then when you want 5.1, just run the L/R out of the receiver (like you have to the amp except to the pre). Set an acceptable gain on the preamp (like you would with a powered sub, etc.) and use the receiver for volume control. Use a test disc to set up the proper levels and then just make sure you set the B&K to the exact gain level when you do this...

Todd

GoldenBoy
12-04-2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Todd Fredericks
Golden Boy, that sounds like a great receiver. You're so right that it's a major plus having the 2 sets of 5.1 inputs. As for your B&K preamp, you could use that primarily for your 2 ch sound and then when you want 5.1, just run the L/R out of the receiver (like you have to the amp except to the pre). Set an acceptable gain on the preamp (like you would with a powered sub, etc.) and use the receiver for volume control. Use a test disc to set up the proper levels and then just make sure you set the B&K to the exact gain level when you do this...

Todd

Todd,

It is indeed a very nice receiver. Just for the record, it actually has 5.1 and 7.1 analog inputs, not 2 5.1's.

Now, your suggestion. I'm not sure I follow. Forgive me, I'm dumb today. :D If I run the L/R out of the receiver to the pre, wouldn't that just be doubling the pre-amp stage? Effectively adding more noise and colouration to the sound?

Todd Fredericks
12-04-2002, 01:49 PM
Yes, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. You would only be doing this for L/R in multi-ch sources (all 2 ch sources would go directly into other B&K inputs). You could get a pretty tight gain setting where it could be pretty clean. Some preamps which have a HT switch (to accomplish the same thing) just go to a preset gain level. You would be doing this from scratch until you get the right level. for me this works very well because I use my system mostly for 2 ch music (vial tube preamp to tube amp). When I listen to 5.1 (mostly DVD soundtracks), I then have the Yamaha as part of the chain. It's worked well for me so far. I've found a very good setting on the preamp and everything is calibrated and not too much coloration. This allows for me to have a good preamp for 2 ch music and not have to have a separate system for 5.1.

Todd

GoldenBoy
12-04-2002, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Todd Fredericks
Yes, but it wouldn't be the end of the world. You would only be doing this for L/R in multi-ch sources (all 2 ch sources would go directly into other B&K inputs). You could get a pretty tight gain setting where it could be pretty clean. Some preamps which have a HT switch (to accomplish the same thing) just go to a preset gain level. You would be doing this from scratch until you get the right level. for me this works very well because I use my system mostly for 2 ch music (vial tube preamp to tube amp). When I listen to 5.1 (mostly DVD soundtracks), I then have the Yamaha as part of the chain. It's worked well for me so far. I've found a very good setting on the preamp and everything is calibrated and not too much coloration. This allows for me to have a good preamp for 2 ch music and not have to have a separate system for 5.1.

Todd

Cool. That's not a bad idea. Maybe I'll try that out when all of my gear is here in my hands.

Todd Fredericks
12-04-2002, 02:04 PM
I got this idea from a lot of postings on audioasylum. Do a search there also and maybe you can get some more set-up possiblilties. I'm happy with my described set-up. The L&R may be slightly compromised in 5.1 but on DD/DTS tracks you get many compromises already. I'm not a big fan of 5.1 music, so it's not the end of the world for me...

Todd

GoldenBoy
12-04-2002, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Todd Fredericks
I got this idea from a lot of postings on audioasylum. Do a search there also and maybe you can get some more set-up possiblilties. I'm happy with my described set-up. The L&R may be slightly compromised in 5.1 but on DD/DTS tracks you get many compromises already. I'm not a big fan of 5.1 music, so it's not the end of the world for me...

Todd

Well, for me, I really want the 5.1 for Hi-Rez SACD and DVD-A multichannel playback, not DD or dts, so any compromise is a downer. DD or dts movie playback is really only my secondary concern.

JohnG
12-04-2002, 03:53 PM
Good choice! Enjoy the Reciever. You'll really enjoy Multi-Channel SACD/DVDA.

Todd Fredericks
12-04-2002, 08:19 PM
Well, for me, I really want the 5.1 for Hi-Rez SACD and DVD-A multichannel playback, not DD or dts, so any compromise is a downer. DD or dts movie playback is really only my secondary concern.

You still might be surprised with the quality of using both. Maybe do some reading on audio asylum. I'm not great at explaining all the positives/negatives of this set-up. It seems to work very well (luckily) with my gear. Also, I agree, it's sounds like you got a great piece of gear!!

Todd

GoldenBoy
12-05-2002, 07:25 AM
Originally posted by Todd Fredericks


You still might be surprised with the quality of using both. Maybe do some reading on audio asylum. I'm not great at explaining all the positives/negatives of this set-up. It seems to work very well (luckily) with my gear. Also, I agree, it's sounds like you got a great piece of gear!!

Todd

Don't worry about it Todd, I can guarantee right now that I'll try your suggested setup :), and I have actually been researching a lot of this stuff on Audio Asylum ever since I decided to make the upgrade.

Todd Fredericks
12-05-2002, 04:30 PM
Cool! Let us know what works best and if you find a better method, please post!!

Todd

GoldenBoy
12-06-2002, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Todd Fredericks
Cool! Let us know what works best and if you find a better method, please post!!

Todd

Sure thing.