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sberger
03-21-2005, 09:18 PM
i was lucky enough to grab a promo dvd copy of this and it's absolutely amazing. there are live segments that just about blow the who or whoever you think are/were the greatest r'n'r band away. i think it's a terrible shame that folks who have no idea who the 5 were and the power and passion they brought to the table may never get to see this incredible documentary.

Chip Z
03-22-2005, 08:40 PM
I've been hunting for a copy for some time. I thought the best thing about the officially released dvd was the bonus archival footage.

dkmonroe
03-23-2005, 06:42 AM
Has this DVD been commercially released, or is it about to be?

I would love to see it.

reechie
03-23-2005, 07:08 AM
http://www.sonicsrendezvous.com/MC5/inquirer.html

DKT / MC5 is fighting over a film about its legendary past

By Dan DeLuca - Philadelphia Inquirer Music Critic - 16 June 2004

In the rock-and-roll history books, the MC5 gets its own chapter.

The confrontational Detroit guitar army, born in 1964, has an outsized reputation as a punk-rock progenitor and possibly the greatest in the long line of raucous Motor City bands that includes the Stooges and the White Stripes.

The MC5 is best known for its fist-pumping call-to-arms "Kick Out the Jams," which singer Rob Tyner - who died in 1991 - always delivered with the mother of all expletives.

Yet it released only three uneven albums before imploding in 1972. The mythic status of the band - whose surviving members, bass player Michael Davis, guitarist Wayne Kramer, and drummer Dennis Thompson, will play the Trocadero tonight as DKT/MC5 - is mostly sustained via oral history.

For fans, an MC5 reunion would seem to be cause for celebration. Instead, the tour has been marred by a dispute over MC5: A True Testimonial, a documentary all parties agree captures the band in all its gloriously self-defeating brilliance.

At issue is a rift between the filmmakers and Kramer, who is supported by the other original group members, over music licensing and what Kramer says was a deal for him to act as Testimonial's music producer. If the conflict remains unresolved, the film may never be released on DVD and the band could remain merely the stuff of legend.

"What the MC5 represent is a sense of possibilities . . . a sense that whatever it is you want to do, you need to do it wholeheartedly, and hurl yourself into it," Kramer says. (He, Davis and Thompson are the DKT of the tour name. They're joined by singers Mark Arm of Mudhoney and Evan Dando of Lemonheads, plus guitarist Marshall Crenshaw.)

"That's what 'kick out the jams' means: Live life to the fullest, do something, make something happen."

That message is everywhere in Testimonial, a seven-year project completed by David C. Thomas and Laurel Legler in 2002 and due on DVD last month after a smattering of festival screenings. Plans for the DVD were halted in March after Kramer, the charismatic star of the documentary, instructed publishing firm Warner/Chappell Music to deny Thomas and Legler access to MC5 music.

The pair's Future/Now Films has filed a motion in Los Angeles federal court to explore whether Kramer can dictate the band's licensing rights. A decision is expected in August.

A True Testimonial is a riveting film that traces the MC5 from its garage-band start through its days at Detroit's Grande Ballroom - where its debut, Kick Out the Jams, was recorded in 1969 - and where the band took macho pride in facing off against headliners such as Cream.

The film works as a shadow history of the period as it chronicles the MC5's experiments with free jazz and its alliance with John Sinclair's White Panther Party. Footage includes government surveillance tape of the band playing Chicago's Lincoln Park during the tumultuous 1968 Democratic convention. And it follows the quintet (including coleader and guitarist Fred "Sonic" Smith, who died in 1994) as it records 1970's Back in the U.S.A. with future Springsteen producer Jon Landau, and breaks up two years later, riven by drugs and disillusion.

"They had that group charisma, and an intelligence and a sense of humor," says Crenshaw, a native Detroiter. "The first time I saw them I was 14 and they were opening for Jimi Hendrix. I remember I was afraid of them. They were frightening."

Crenshaw has been friends for 20 years with Kramer, now 55, but he admires Testimonial. "It would be horrible if it didn't come out," he says. "One of the things I love about it is that you see the band's rise and fall, and there's no redemption. It ends on a tragic note."

In March, Jackson Smith, the musician-son of Fred Smith and his wife, singer Patti Smith, told the Detroit News, "It's a travesty that it would be blocked. It's a great document of the band."

On July 6, the Kramer-sanctioned DVD Sonic Revolution: A Celebration of the MC5, comes out. It's a film of a 2003 London concert in which the DKT lineup is joined by guests such as Lemmy Kilminster of Motorhead. Critics allege that Kramer has blocked Testimonial to safeguard his "authorized" DVD.

The guitarist, who has released several solid solo albums since 1995, says it's untrue.

He contends that Thomas and Legler agreed he would produce the film's music and control the soundtrack rights. Thomas, 48, a longtime fan who says he aimed to capture the band's "weird, ugly glory and fabulous ineptitude" with his first film, calls the very notion "absurd": "The use of music as a narrative, with songs like 'Motor City Is Burning,' are all directorial and editorial decisions."

Thomas, who calls the dispute "a shakedown," says he entered into a partnership with Davis and Thompson to share profits from the $750,000 film, but that Kramer resisted.

On the contrary, "we had a deal" concerning his role "and they reneged," responds Kramer, who says his error was in not getting a written commitment.

Despite it all, Kramer says, "I think it's a superb film. In fact, I even think David Thomas did a fine job on the music. But . . . now they've attacked me in a court, and dragged my name through the mud in the press. And I'm not a doormat."

So will A True Testimonial be, like Robert Frank's 1972 Rolling Stones documentary with a title unfit for a family paper, a great rock movie few will ever see?

"The truth will win out," answers Thomas, who says that "despite my fury and . . . frustration, part of me still loves [Kramer]."

Though it may seem perverse that the MC5 guitarist is preventing people from seeing the movie that finally does his band justice, Kramer is sanguine.

"I don't need the glory," he says. "I've been telling the story of the MC5 my whole life. It belongs to me and my partners in the band. It doesn't belong to Future/Now Films, or anyone else. It belongs to us."

sberger
03-23-2005, 02:27 PM
I've been hunting for a copy for some time. I thought the best thing about the officially released dvd was the bonus archival footage.

yup, it's amazing stuff. in fact, you'll be interested in knowing that there's a nice little "testimonial" by handsome dick and ross the boss, among others.

incredible stuff...

Chip Z
03-23-2005, 02:53 PM
yup, it's amazing stuff. in fact, you'll be interested in knowing that there's a nice little "testimonial" by handsome dick and ross the boss, among others.

incredible stuff...

HDM was part of the recent MC3/DTK Euro tour. Anxious to hear some tapes. The Dictators cover "Call Me Animal" a lot.

Frank G
03-25-2005, 07:37 AM
Any idea how long this could be hung up?

Frank G

Chip Z
03-25-2005, 07:43 AM
Any idea how long this could be hung up?

Frank G

This is the MC5 we are talking about. Seems like they can't ever get anything done right. I suspect Kramer didn't want to detract attention (and sales) from the official dvd so maybe he will relent. Never know.

Drawer L
03-26-2005, 03:50 AM
Wow-glad I scored the "unoffical" version.Excellent film!-Who would've thought there was that much footage on them...

Chip Z
03-30-2005, 01:41 PM
I've got a copy incoming ($30) and will post here when I have a chance to check it out. Is it widescreen?

sberger
04-01-2005, 03:38 PM
I've got a copy incoming ($30) and will post here when I have a chance to check it out. Is it widescreen?


wow, good for you. that's a lot cheaper than i got it for. wonder if it will have the "official" packaging or not(mine did, but of course, it's really just the movie that counts).

LimpDickCheney
04-01-2005, 10:02 PM
If anyone has a torrent of this could you please seed it? I cannot begin to tell you how much I want to see this... and Wayne need not worry, I already bought his DVD.

Chip Z
04-02-2005, 09:05 PM
wow, good for you. that's a lot cheaper than i got it for. wonder if it will have the "official" packaging or not(mine did, but of course, it's really just the movie that counts).

It's a boot. Just the movie, none of the extras. Also, no chapter breaks. No 5.1. Not anamorphic widescreen.

I'm kind of bummed, but seeing as how my other attempts to obtain a copy failed dismally, I'm satisfied for now. About halfway thru and enjoying it very much. Not much really new to me, but some incredible footage.

Zal
04-03-2005, 09:43 AM
Hi Folks...

I believe I was the first engineer to (re)master the Kick Out the Jams for CD release....and was told to, literally, get the f... out of there, and so I did.

Over the years, and when morals and mores changed, and when the likes of Paul Rothschild and Bruce Botnick requested the tapes for reissue once again, I was told to put it back! (They remastered, I just inserted the deleted splice back in place on the analog master. ...)

Just shows to go ya.

Best wishes,

Zal :shh:

Zal
04-03-2005, 09:45 AM
Hey Chip

What's with that Dictators album on your moiniker?

I mastered two albums of theirs (for CD) for overseas.

Best wishes,

Zal :)

Chip Z
04-06-2005, 07:51 AM
Hi Folks...

I believe I was the first engineer to (re)master the Kick Out the Jams for CD release....and was told to, literally, get the f... out of there, and so I did.

Over the years, and when morals and mores changed, and when the likes of Paul Rothschild and Bruce Botnick requested the tapes for reissue once again, I was told to put it back! (They remastered, I just inserted the deleted splice back in place on the analog master. ...)

Just shows to go ya.

Best wishes,

Zal :shh:

Zal,

Does the full concert exist in any form? Always thought a "deluxe edition" of KOTJ would be great.

CWZ

Chip Z
04-06-2005, 07:53 AM
Hey Chip

What's with that Dictators album on your moiniker?

I mastered two albums of theirs (for CD) for overseas.

Best wishes,

Zal :)

Zal,

Which discs did you work on? I'm a huge Dictators fan. I guess if I was forced to pick a favorite, I'd go with Bloodbrothers, but they all work for me. (Even the cheesiest parts of Manifest Destiny.)

CWZ

Zal
04-06-2005, 09:59 AM
Zal,

Which discs did you work on? I'm a huge Dictators fan. I guess if I was forced to pick a favorite, I'd go with Bloodbrothers, but they all work for me. (Even the cheesiest parts of Manifest Destiny.)

CWZ

Hey Chip


I don't know which albums I did. If the tapes were still at my disposal to check out I could tell you, but they're not even on this side of the country anymore...I think.

As far as an expanded concert, that wasn't on the original release that I worked on, but there must be the session tape, multitrack, or something that they culled Kick Out the Jams from.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Best wishes,

Zal :)

Zal
04-06-2005, 10:11 AM
A cute story....

When I was working in the dupe room, prior to my high-falutin' CD mastering days, I was making a copy of the Lou Gramm produciton master tape; for overseas, probably.

The studio liason for studio/manufacturing, and a suprior of mine, Chrissy Alerding, told me explicitly NOT to let the tape out of my sight, and that when finished with it, I should return it only to her, so that she could lock it up in her drawer in her room. Mind you, we had a tape library, with secure doors...but this release was special, I guess because this was Lou's first solo album (I think I ran into Nils Lofgrin and Lou in my room, and upon hearing the album I commented that it sounded like a fine-tuned machine...they both gave each other a funny, strange look...it was the early days of Midi, and while I meant the comment as praise, perhaps they didn't perceive it as such, or them knowing what went into the release, they felt uncomfortable with my comment). Whatever the reason, maybe because Foreigner was in their hey-day, and they expected this album to go really big.

Well, whatever, to get back to the story...

So I had Lou's production master up on my trusty Studer machine...and something went wrong....instead of rewinding, the tape came off the spool, and wrapped around the capstan or something, and it got stuck....I was pretty fast reflexed (in those days) and really quickly stopped the machine when I ascertained that trouble was abrew....

I C_A_R_E_F_U_L_L_Y unwound the tape from the machine parts to glimpse the damage...while holding my breath...actually, my heart was speeding....I looked at the tape to find that (just) one part had been crumpled...one was enough..and it wasn't between songs....UGH!.....After having noticed that it hadn't been stretched, I began working on the tape WITH A PENCIL to try and flatted out the crimped section. Slowly, slowly, etc.etc., I worked on the tape, dreading the possibility that someone, MAYBE EVEN MS. CHRISSY would walk through the door into my room.

After SOME time of excercising the tape (ever work on a cowlick that just won't subside???), I put the tape on the machine...VERY CAREFULLY, rewound it before the spot, put it into play, prayed...and listened................................ ..

Well, firstly, it was in the fade of the song....OK...and I just about couldn't hear it...and after playing it a few times, any blurble....it was gone.


WHEW...but it didn't have to be that way.

And that's the way it happened!

Best wishes,

Zal :agree:

Zal
04-06-2005, 10:13 AM
Zal,

Which discs did you work on? I'm a huge Dictators fan. I guess if I was forced to pick a favorite, I'd go with Bloodbrothers, but they all work for me. (Even the cheesiest parts of Manifest Destiny.)

CWZ

I did two of the albums for overseas. Are your releases Asylum/Elektra product ?

The names sound familiar, Manifest Destinty and Bloodbrothers but you should know, we didn't always get the albums with the artwork, just the reel to reel tapes.

I think I mastered them for Japan...maybe Germany

HOLD ON! HOLD ON!

I just pulled out my Rock Record book by Terry Honsome...a great compendium...but the third edition from '87...a later edition I left at the studio when I, eh, was let go..that's how much I and the librarians liked it..

And in it, it says...Manifest Destiny and Blood Brothers were on Asylum, our sister affiliate company (connected to Elektra). And I did master back-catalog for both those labels. So, it was those I mastered. But as Go girl Crazy was on Epic, not a WEA company, and Live ETC...(Ahem) was on Reach Out, no, I had nothing to do with those.

You might have the Collectors Choice CDs, if they made them, and they might be (just) my transfers, OR they may have used my masterings...

Best wishes,

Zal :righton:

Chip Z
09-01-2005, 09:43 PM
It's a boot. Just the movie, none of the extras. Also, no chapter breaks. No 5.1. Not anamorphic widescreen.

I'm kind of bummed, but seeing as how my other attempts to obtain a copy failed dismally, I'm satisfied for now. About halfway thru and enjoying it very much. Not much really new to me, but some incredible footage.

Just picked up another copy from a trader. New version has the extras, menus, etc. The performances included in the extras are outstanding. If you can, make sure you get this version.

Chip

OliverB
01-02-2006, 10:01 PM
I'm bringing this back up because I NEED a copy of this DVD!


I want to know how you guys happened to obtain these, and if there are still "official" licensed-quality promo copies in circulation?

Now that I know that some pre-release units made it into distribution, a bootleg just won't cut it!

I am desperately seeking the official pre-street promo DVD w/ full artwork, extras, the works... at ANY cost!!!

If you have a copy, or know where it is to be had... please let me know, or better yet, sell it to me!!

OliverB
01-03-2006, 01:15 PM
BUMP


Desperately seeking official press copy!!!