What do you think of the new Creed

[Edge_88]

I think the new creed rocks i got all 3 of there cds weatherd is like the best song on there.

[Beagle]

Creed "suck more desperately than a starving baby calf with a stopped up mommy".

That's what I think.

[PsychFan]

Originally posted by Beagle
Creed "suck more desperately than a starving baby calf with a stopped up mommy".
That's what I think.

That's what I think, too.

If this is what passes for rock music these days, no wonder so many kids are turning to hip-hop ...

[Kevin Sypolt]

I just read this thread today, as I must have missed it the first time around. I am a bit disturbed by the rather negative responses... It kinda wreaks of "Well Sonny Boy, this new fangled "music" these young whipper-snappers listen to just ain't like it used to be in the good-old-days" kinda talk. Wow!

I myself consider the late sixties to early seventies to be my musical "home", but I find that most all music has something to offer from the 40's (and before) all the way up to today's music. Depending upon the mood, I also enjoy listening to Creed, Korn, Metallica, Marilyn Manson, VAST and NIN. At other times I put on Ray Charles, Nat King Cole, Fleetwood Mac or the Beatles. I feel diversity is a positive thing. I too have my limits. I have listened to "Rage against the Machine" and "System of a Down", and have not felt anything. Does this mean they are "bad" bands? No, not at all, just not something that appeals to me. I guess what I am trying to say, is please do not simply "flame" a post (and submitter) such as this. You could have simply said "I've listened to the new Creed, and don't care for it", or simply not reply at all. Otherwise you risk ending up with a "good 'ol boys" board, where all you do is talk about the good old days... Now stepping off my proverbial soap box.

So in response to Edge_88:
Yeah, I personally own all three of Creed's albums, but my personal favorite is the first album. The last two albums do "rock" as you put it, but I really enjoy the bluesy, layed-back atmosphere of the first album. They recorded the first album on a very minimal budget, and I think they really struck a good balance between the metal riffs and some very good lyrics. Thanks for posting! :)

[Patrick M]

Kevin, EXCELLENT post. I am in agreement with everything you said, but I couldn't have said it any better than you did.

I have not heard much Creed. They're OK, but I wouldn't go out of my way to hear them. The lead singer tends to be labeled an Eddie Vedder rip off. I always found that little riff in "Arms Wide Open" infectious, but I never learned to play it. ;) Oh, and their music seems to have a positive, uplifting bent, so I can't knock the guys for that.

I continue to appreciate newer music as well as the old. Alice in Chains and Jerry Cantrell solo, King's X and their solo and side projects, Dream Theater, RATM, etc. [Yeah, I know, they all started 10 years or more ago.]

I also think a lot of 70s AOR stuff is incredibly overrated.

[Edit: I left off the Black Crowes! Their last two albums are great!]

[remaster]

Give Creed a break!!! I know radio killed Creed's last cd, but they are good guys. Positive music, not full of hate or explicit language. Look at some of the recent rock music. Plenty of F-bombs. And rap is even worse. A lot worse. Kids now expect the explicit stuff. They are used to it. Collective Soul is another "good guys" band.

[Holy Zoo]

Kevin, Patrick - agreed!

As for listening to new music, give a listen to Queens of the New Stone Age - I've been really impressed with what I've heard.

[Kevin Sypolt]

Yes, Queens of the New Stone Age is very good! :)

[Holy Zoo]

Originally posted by Kevin Sypolt
Yes, Queens of the Stone Age is very good! :)

... but their band name makes for quite a Strunk & White disaster, doesn't it!

[MikeD]

I really like the last Queens of Stone Age too. Dave Grohl will be drumming on the new album. I'm psyched about that!

[Holy Zoo]

Originally posted by MikeD
I really like the last Queens of Stone Age too. Dave Grohl will be drumming on the new album. I'm psyched about that!

No kidding?! Excellent!! I really love Grohl - very tasty fellow, and seems like a pretty genuine nice guy to boot.

[Edge_88]

I think Creed is good i got all 3 of there cds many people have diffrent opinons some dont know good rock and roll

[Michael]

It seems that EVERY band of today's music excluding RAP not really music? Have the same LEAD VOCALIST, throaty ,growling, gravely, tone? To each his own, I will never put one down for their musical loves. Now I really know what It feels like to feel DISPLACED... When I veiw MTV- 99% RAP, VH1 I get nausiated! MAN I feel OLD. Never felt that way before.
I guess it had to happen. SIGH......

[Uncle Al]

Yeah - Creed has what passes for the "a-typical" modern rock vocalist, but that is as much a current fashion as the "Robert Plant/Ozzy Osboune" sound, the high harmony Boston/Kansas/Styx sound. Hell - vocal "fashions" may go back to Bing Crosby's vocal "trill" in the 30's.

That said - they do against the grain offering rock music that has more than the rage, frustration, violence, yada-yada-yada that ALSO seems to be the current fashion. I applaud them for the diversity they show - even though I am only familiar with their radio output.

Whatever happened to diversity WITHIN a musical group? Even Zeppelin and Black Sabbath didn't pound you for 45 minutes without a few quieter numbers. It seems that most bands these days are so protective of a rather "narrow" image, that even the slightest deviation from it causes their fan base to scream "sellout". I guess it makes for lots of loud fast numbers, but doesn't hold much hope for building a lomg term career when their fans move on to the next big thing.....

[jroyen]

Wow do I agree with Uncle Al. I say that music has become excessively constrained. Probably because many artists' try to emulate a studio sound, and never stray from it. And since the listening audience today has a far more heightened sensitivity to the minutest changes, the artist turns into a fearful studio robot, an emulator instead of a creator. This locks the music industry and the listening audience into a serious holding pattern. Welcome to the digital age.

I heard a song by Train the other day, "Drops of Jupiter." An otherwise good song, but it sounded like it was programmed that way. There wasn't a single honest emotion in the whole song - so thought out that there was no longer anything original or raw. Instead, it followed a simple progression and never veered from that path. Some of my favorite music takes you on an emotional rollercoaster, for instance the second side of Abbey Road. What ever happened to the honesty in music?

And today, even when there are glimmers of genuineness, for instance Jewel or Alanis Morrisette, it is soon manhandled, oversaturated, over amplified, and repackaged. Fame and money comes too quickly, and the hunger that once drove soon dissipates. And before you know it, we have pre-programmed public opinion poll sanctimony where music once existed.

And to stay on topic, anyone is all right in my book who can bring back Cher-like singing, and emulate a modern Seattle sound.

Gotta go.
Josh

[PsychFan]

Originally posted by Kevin Sypolt
I am a bit disturbed by the rather negative responses... It kinda wreaks of "Well Sonny Boy, this new fangled "music" these young whipper-snappers listen to just ain't like it used to be in the good-old-days" kinda talk. Wow!

That's "reeks," by the way. And I don't deny this point at all. I have happily surrendered to the "Well Sonny Boy" school ...


I guess what I am trying to say, is please do not simply "flame" a post (and submitter) such as this. You could have simply said "I've listened to the new Creed, and don't care for it", or simply not reply at all.

I take your point and I for one probably should have taken my mother's good advice, and not said anything at all.

Apologies to any and all that may have been offended,
Jeff P.

[Beagle]

I am a bit disturbed by the rather negative responses... Don't be. For every person who listens to Creed, there are 100 who don't. Otherwise you risk ending up with a "good 'ol boys" board, where all you do is talk about the good old days... Sez who? There are lots of current artists I really enjoy. I think Creed is good i got all 3 of there cds many people have diffrent opinons some dont know good rock and roll But that's just the point. They do know good rock and roll. That's why they hate Creed. They miss the days of innovative original rock bands. Or wait, correct that, they miss the days when radio would play music by original innovative rock bands.

[Kevin Sypolt]

Originally posted by Beagle
But that's just the point. They do know good rock and roll. That's why they hate Creed. They miss the days of innovative original rock bands. Or wait, correct that, they miss the days when radio would play music by original innovative rock bands.

Ah, now we are getting somewhere - much more constructive with your criticisms/comments. I think Edge_88 and I can gleen much more information out of this post than your original post:

Originally posted by Beagle
Creed "suck more desperately than a starving baby calf with a stopped up mommy".


I was just a little unclear on the meaning of this statement. ;) I know you were just kidding, but I think you know the point that I was trying to make about common courtesy. I agree with you that the new Creed stuff is too commercial for my taste. The first album didn't receive near as much air play. It sold more by word of mouth in the beginning when I purchased it.

[Matt]

Not really a fan. They feel a bit watered down for a hard rock or alternative band.

[AudioGirl]

WHO?? :D :D

Just kidding... I thought I would chime in with a little comic relief... Like the guy who asked "what's Prokofiev?" in a previous post on another thread. I laughed heartily... Ha, ha, very funny!

I say enjoy what ever makes you happy!

[Kym]

I'm no fan of Crud...I mean, Greed...no wait, Creed. :p

Although I do applaud the positive messages in their "tunes," it's both the highly derivative music and the arrogant attitude of the lead singer that grates me.

I do recall that Mr. Stapp said it was important to the band that Weathered debut at #1 on the Billboard album chart.

Uh, why? :confused:

His comment didn't rub me the right way. It just stunk of...well, greed and ego.

Besides, Weathered gets my vote for the ugliest album cover of 2001!

Just my two cents.

[Paul Chang]

It is true that we all have our personal tastes, and each generation has its own style of music. However, great music will stand the test of time, and most of my favorite recordings happen to be made by musicians from older generations than mine.

I am not quite sure if Creed will have any lasting legacy.

[Beagle]

My problem with Creed, Nickleback, Staind and their ilk is that they come off like a half baked Pearl Jam. Calculated, safe music with no character. Designed for people who know what they like and like what they know. What separates these Pearl Jam wannabes from the real deal is that PJ expanded on their music, from 10, through vs., Vitalogy and No Code. Since it seems nobody doing anything creative or original gets airplay anymore, these current bands have the whole playground to themselves. I can't really blame them. Why commit commercial suicide for the sake of art by doing something new and different? After all, what really matters is money. It's their job.

[Kevin Sypolt]

Originally posted by AudioGirl
I say enjoy what ever makes you happy!

Now here is some wisdom we can all live by. An argument about what music is "good" and what music is "bad" is very much like arguing about religion. There are simply no winners.

Maybe it has something to do with what your musical "home base" is, or what was going on in your life (memories of that special someone), etc. Myself, I find that Pearl Jam, Nirvana and U2 do absolutely nothing for me. I know they are talented musicians and have an incredible number of followers, but they just don't "move" me. Why? I dunno. I do own several CDs of each band, but I rarely listen to them.

In the end, I guess we shall just have to agree to disagree! Of course I LEARN to like anything put out by Steve, as he makes everything sound good! Or maybe he just has good taste. (Do I get extra suck-up points for that?) :)

[Holy Zoo]

I must admit, I'm disturbed by a couple of the rude responses. Edge_88 started a thread about a band he likes. If you have something insighful to say, say it, but what's the point of trying to trash on one of this guys favorite bands in his own thread? That's just rude.

Also, I thought people like might like to know that a very well respected member of this forum has quit because of this very issue, noting this thread as a prime example of the snobbery.

Remember, we make this place what we want it to be. Do folks really want this to be a place where people can come into Herb Alpert threads and start calling it "**** that only old men listen to"?

Cause that's what's happening a bit here. There's also some more thoughtful comments above - maybe a few of us could learn from those, eh?

Just some food for thought.