Star Trek Enterprise Queston

[John Oteri]

Anyone else notice or give a fig...that ENTERPRISE might be trying to tie up all the loose ends and inconistances of ST before they go out with a (big) bang? Ironically, I think the show has finally gotten really good. It seems to me NG, Voyager and DS9 took about 3 seasons to really get interesting. 7 of 9 wasn't till V season 4. Right? And Worf didnt join DS9 until 4. Right? It seems to me that they quit too soon. But my guess is that 1) the introduction of Klingon "augments" is going to explain why the Klingons didn't have ridges in the original series. And 2) Reed is a part of Section 31. I thought it was pretty clever, and a triubte to ST in general.
Anyone else think so...or care?

[Mike B]

Yes, I think it's quite obvious that Reed's involvement in the secret organisation is a nod to section 31 and of course the Klingon augments look like TOS Klingons. In the next episode or two, I'm sure it will end with the Klingon race saved but the appearance is stuck and Archer will say something like "and someday someone will find a way to restore your appearance."

I think it's silly to spend time explaining an appearance change that is obviously simply the result of budget and design, but if they're going to do it, this is the best way to go.

Yeah, this season was pretty good, but only to die-hard Trekkies since it's explaining TOS backstory. But it's too little too late, as the previous two season were just dreadful.

[stypee]

I don't watch the show but my Dad does and I'm confused at his opinion, he complains about the "Nazi" episode but than say's he still like's it.

There's a group of trekkies on the web trying to raise money to actually produce the show themselves. Some guy came up with the concept of getting a dollar from every fan and they could produce an entire season which estimates to about 33,000,000.

It looks like UPN is pretty much screwed now and FOX even bought a small percentage of the network. There really isn't anything remotely interesting on that channel.

[Rachael Bee]

It looks like UPN is pretty much screwed now and FOX even bought a small percentage of the network. There really isn't anything remotely interesting on that channel.

UPN's second best show is Jewelery Television. I quess it'll be numero uno en tiempo, soon!.... :shake:

[HGN2001]

I find it somehow sad that STAR TERK: ENTERPRISE aired its series finale without a mention from anyone here. I guess the franchise really had run its course, ending with but a whimper.

[JonUrban]

What happened? How did Riker enter into the picture? Anyone see it?

[HGN2001]

Yes, I saw it.

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The final episode dealt with the birth of the Federation and Archer's involvement in it. It was set in Enterprise NX-01's future, at the end of their mission, and was presented as a holodeck program on NCC-1701-D, with Riker and Troi running the program. Supposedly, Riker was looking for some answers to his own personal crisis and Troi recommended using the Archer holodeck program for some answers.

It was set during the time that Riker met up with his former commander from the Pegasus, the ship that illegally experimented with a cloaking device. (By the way, fans of LOST as well will remember that Riker's former commander was played by Terry O'Quinn, "Locke" on LOST.)

[Andrew]

The last hour seemed more like an episode of TNG than Enterprise, as if the Enterprise cast were supporting players on their own show. Too bad they didn't place Riker & Troi on the USS Titan instead, that would've gotten the fan-base excited!

Not too bad a finale, after reading the scorn some of the actors had heaped upon it in the pages of TV Guide.

[Rachael Bee]

I haven't watched the last episode yet. It's on my Tivo. For the last week I've been watching the first season on DVD. How long can it be before we have an Enterprise movie? ...or yet another ST series?

[HGN2001]

I'm betting there won't be an ENTERPRISE movie, at least not with the Bakula crew. Since the series generated little interest, Paramount would have to be crazy to invest money in a motion picture with that crew. Heck, even the mighty Next Generation failed in the last movie.

I think once the franchise is given a proper resting period, someone, somewhere down the line will come up with a reason to resurrect it in one form or another. It won't be the same though, as they'll probably have someone like Ben Affleck playing Captain Kirk...

[Winter Hugohalter]

I missed the next to last episode. What happend to the Evil Archer and the Defiant?

[HGN2001]

That wasn't the next-to-last episode. There was another two-parter after that, then a one-hour finale.

[OcdMan]

I missed the next to last episode. What happend to the Evil Archer and the Defiant?

Sato poisoned and killed Archer, took over the Defiant, held Earth hostage...and declared herself Empress. :)

[Rachael Bee]

I'm betting there won't be an ENTERPRISE movie, at least not with the Bakula crew. Since the series generated little interest, Paramount would have to be crazy to invest money in a motion picture with that crew. Heck, even the mighty Next Generation failed in the last movie.

I think once the franchise is given a proper resting period, someone, somewhere down the line will come up with a reason to resurrect it in one form or another. It won't be the same though, as they'll probably have someone like Ben Affleck playing Captain Kirk...


Ben Affleck as Kirk! :righton: That's about the funniest thing I've heard all day. Matt Damon as Spock or Jeff Goldblum...? Ha!

They could reserect the NG crew to meet Enterprise crew and use time warps if necessary...or include Deep Space 9 station in a plot. ...or Voyager somehow. They could knit some sort of something together. Just what are they going to do with all those costumes and effects? Something??? I figur....

Personally, I think Enterprise's poor fortune is more about being shown on one of the worst stations in town in the majority of cities, including mine. There are episodes I've never seen because the local UPN station fouled them up so bad that my Tivo recordings were unwatchable....missing audio, black space, fouled up video, more black space. It had improved this year because UPN traded-up to a better transmitter and equipment. The first 2 years were c-r-a-p on the first UPN affiliate.

[HGN2001]

I guess I was lucky here in Philly. We've had a semi-decent UPN affiliate all along, with at least decent (though compressed) sound and a fairly watchable picture. Being on UHF Channel 57, that's a pretty impressive feat on its own, but it's always put out a really nice signal.

Our worst problems were during basketball and hockey seasons when preemptions would abound. But at least they almost ALWAYS showed the Star Trek episode after the game, with a repeat showing on the weekend. This was true all through VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE.

But I agree that being on the worst signal in town probably skewed the audience down. And there are some towns without UPN affiliates that ran the show on a syndicated basis, and other towns with basically nothing at all.

[Tony Plachy]

Sato poisoned and killed Archer, took over the Defiant, held Earth hostage...and declared herself Empress. :)

I missed the second episode in the evil Archer double episode. So how did it end, was that it, she became Empress?

[OcdMan]

Yes, that was pretty much it. She poisoned Archer's drink while they were "celebrating" in his quarters. Then in walks Travis, and she and Travis start their own celebration while Archer's dying on the floor. Then she goes to the bridge, hails Starfleet, and threatens to start leveling cities. They ask, "Who is this?" And she responds, "Empress Sato." And that was that.

Now, as to how that resolves with the fact that the mirror universe was on the same technological plane as the "good" universe in the original series, I don't know. But I suppose that everyone killing their superior officer at every opportunity and/or the turning of the cities of Earth into rubble by the Defiant would both really slow technological advancement. :)

[4_everyman]

The last hour seemed more like an episode of TNG than Enterprise, as if the Enterprise cast were supporting players on their own show. Too bad they didn't place Riker & Troi on the USS Titan instead, that would've gotten the fan-base excited!I’m still deciding about this. I thought it was a cool idea, doing it as holodeck program within the NextGen timeframe, but it almost seemed gimmicky. Riker was trying to decide whether he should reveal the incident to Picard, given that he had been sworn to secrecy. I can understand all that, but what did that have to do with the story in Archer’s time? Was it about the trust that Archer’s people had in him? If so, that was a very subtle message. Don’t get me wrong – I think it was a neat idea and I enjoyed seeing the enhanced exterior shots of the Enterprise-D which you can get with the improved CGI tools that have evolved in the last 10 years. I just don’t see how the two overlapped stories overlapped.

I was sad about Trip, but I guess they had to add some drama. And, of course, it’s always a pleasure to see Shran. He was my favorite non-human character in the series. I understand his character generated a LOT of positive response from the viewers.

All that said, I thought Enterprise had two very STRONG years and I’m sad to see it go. The story lines this year were great. I thought the weakest one was about the Orion women and, still, that was pretty good.

Not too bad a finale, after reading the scorn some of the actors had heaped upon it in the pages of TV Guide.I didn't hear about that. What did they have to say?

[Mike B]

All I know is that Jolene Blaylock (T'Pol) called the finale "appaling."

And if I were a member of the cast, I would feel the same way.

The final of Enterprise should have been... well, a finale for Enterprise. It didn't need the appearance of characters from other shows to validate it.

Riker using Tripp's decision as an inspiration for his own was tenuous at best. Tripp made an instinctual move, while Riker was pondering a conflict of loyalties.

Also, I can't believe they wasted time in the finale with a hostage rescue plot.

[Andrew]

I didn't hear about that. What did they have to say?


IIRC, Blaylock mentioned something along the lines of "this (the series finale) was an example of why we were canceled. It was boring." I think the actor who portrayed Dr. Phlox (sp?) also had some sharp comments to make, but I read the article standing in line at the supermarket! :laugh: