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hamburgerpimp
12-26-2004, 04:27 PM
So, has anyone seen this yet? It's getting really mixed reviews, but then it's a Wes Anderson film, so it's understandable that it may not be everyone's cup of tea. I'm especially wondering how it stacks up in comparison to his other three films (Bottle Rocket, Rushmore & Royal Tenenbaums.)

taxman150
12-26-2004, 04:39 PM
I'm interested too. I love Wes Anderson's films. Bottle Rocket is a little raw, but Rushmore and the Royal T's are classics IMO. I especially love the soundtrack for Rushmore.

It sounds like everyone is out seeing Meet The Fockers this weekend - I read on yahoo that it had record sales for Christmas day.

poweragemk
12-26-2004, 08:28 PM
My friends who saw it loved it...haven't seen it yet.

Xyzzy
12-26-2004, 08:49 PM
I saw it last night and enjoyed it a lot. I consider it a rebound from The Royal Tenenbaums.

andrewsandoval
12-26-2004, 09:16 PM
I am huge Wes Anderson fan (loved the first three movies) and found it really dissapointing. Great set design and all the usual eye candy Anderson's work is filled with, but it just fell flat. Still, if you love what he does go see it for a look at an interesting failure (or wait for the DVD). I will continue to await his next work, but this is definitely the least entertaining of his films. His next feature will be animated.

Aquateen
12-27-2004, 12:08 AM
The only was I can describe it is awful. I think the movie fails on every level. I love all of Wes Anderson's movies but I thought this was a huge stumble. I would go into it further but I talked about it for an hour last night after seeing it. :D

d.r.cook
12-27-2004, 01:15 PM
I am huge Wes Anderson fan (loved the first three movies) and found it really dissapointing. Great set design and all the usual eye candy Anderson's work is filled with, but it just fell flat. Still, if you love what he does go see it for a look at an interesting failure (or wait for the DVD). I will continue to await his next work, but this is definitely the least entertaining of his films. His next feature will be animated.

I'd agree across the board w/Andrew. gotta be a wes fan, and even at that, I was dissappointed. If it's eye candy he's about, why not just do a web site?

To quoth Ms. Stein: "There is no there there."

doug

John DeAngelis
12-27-2004, 03:04 PM
My daughter and I--both Wes Anderson fans--saw it and dug it! It's a bigger-budget movie, so therefore a bit of a change, but still Wes--quirky and wryly funny/poignant with lots of memorable performances. Worth it for the on-screen bossa nova performances of several Bowie songs--a nice extension of Anderson's creative musical selections. I will enjoy seeing it again!

Lance Hall
12-27-2004, 03:33 PM
I label it "cute"... lots of music and quirkiness... doesn't take itself seriously... purposely lame CGI effects.

Willem Defoe was great though.

I say wait for the DVD and rent it.

JohnG
12-27-2004, 05:24 PM
I love Wes Anderson movies too but I'll wait for the DVD.

fyrfytrhoges
12-27-2004, 06:35 PM
hate to see all the negative comments because i was really looking forward to seeing this. bill murray has really proved to be a formidable actor, he has really shed his type cast comic/idiot roles in the past few years with a movie like lost in translation which i loved. i guess ill still check it out, on dvd as i do not go to see movies at theatres anymore because i find most people to be obnoxious sausageheads. anyway opinions are like, you know what, and we all have them.

pdenny
12-28-2004, 08:43 AM
The only was I can describe it is awful. I think the movie fails on every level. I love all of Wes Anderson's movies but I thought this was a huge stumble. I would go into it further but I talked about it for an hour last night after seeing it. :D

Roger Ebert had a similar reaction: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041223/REVIEWS/41201010.

lbangs
12-28-2004, 09:29 AM
I am quite the Anderson fan, and I caught this one last night. While my reaction was not as negative as many's were, I was rather disappointed. The film, while having several funny scenes, was something of a mess, with none of the life or subtle control behind the lunacy of a film such as The Royal Tenenbaums. I did not find it a complete waste of time or money, but it is surely mediocre at best, and easily Anderson's worst film.

Least that's how I see it...

Shalom, y'all!

L. Bangs

d.r.cook
12-28-2004, 11:34 AM
he's been a critic's darling, but this one's off a cliff--at metacritic it's coming in at 56 (based on 35 different critics). By comparison, million dollar baby is at 83, and aviator is a 76.

If I hadn't seen it I'd still want to see it, and it's not w/o its redeeming qualities, but based on his trajectory to date, it just seems like a pretty big dip.

His next one's animated, which maybe will help get him onto a "fresh track" to some degree.

doug

LeeS
12-29-2004, 03:34 PM
I thought The Aviator was a 90. :)

Chris C
12-31-2004, 06:13 AM
I'm NOT a Wes Anderson fan, but I am a Bill Murray fan and other than the fabulous idea to have David Bowie classics sung in Portuguese, this movie stinks!

Seriously, how many drugs do you have to take to appreciate these wacky drug related artsey fartsy movies like this? I also can't stand when previews and/or commercials for a movie like this make it seem like it will be a comedy, but in reality is nothing more than a few good one-liners and full of depression and a plot that couldn't find itself in the light at the end of a tunnel?

Sorry to be so negative here but, why should I have to be a fan of a director just to "GET" the style of a movie? What happened to a movie just being GREAT because it is GREAT? I like SPIELBERG as a director, but I'm far from liking EVERYTHING he has ever done! I guess that I'm personally just tired of "false" advertising to get me into a theater. If this movie was supposed to be nuts because of Bill Murray as a crazy charactor fine, but if a movie is nuts because the director is on drugs and wants us to get some "hidden" message, then it sucks IMO!

SKIP THIS MOVIE!

RDK
12-31-2004, 08:00 AM
Well I loved it! ;) Didn't think much of Bottle Rocket, hated Rushmore, and thought Tannenbaums merely okay, but I really dug Life Aquatic. Not to everyone's taste, sure, but it's my "favorite" Wes Anderson film so far. He's getting better... :D

nukevor
01-04-2005, 07:44 PM
I just saw it tonight. Loved it. Don't wait till the DVD comes out! I never saw "Bottle Rocket," but I think this movie is just as good as "Rushmore," if not better--even beter than "Royal Tenenbaums." At first, the tone of "Aquatic" kind of threw me, especially the first 15 minutes (when Esteban dies off camera). After that, though, I got the point of the film: It's basically a Steve Zissou character arc, with lots of vignettes thrown in.

Check out a recent article on Murray. The part about Murray's Oscar speech reminded me of "Aquatic's" opening segment (the premire of Steve's documentary).

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Bill Murray's cinematic odyssey: From `Caddyshack' to art-house films
Posted on Tue, Jan. 04, 2005
By Hank Stuever, Washington Post
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/entertainment/movies/10549960.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

NEW YORK - Bill Murray should sell noogies, the kind he used to give Gilda Radner on "Saturday Night Live.'' He'll just put you in a headlock and...bliss.

There's still another reason to adore him: The man does not have a publicist. Here is what you must do if you need to ask Murray to be in your movie or sit for an interview: You call an 800 number. You leave a voice mail. He does not always check these messages.

This is unthinkable in Hollywood. "Nothing. No one,'' huffs an exasperated, disbelieving Touchstone/Disney publicist for the new movie "The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou,'' starring Murray as a kind of Jacques Cousteau adventurer in a coolly absurd meditation on mid-life crisis.

"They can't stand the idea that someone could get along in life without having a publicist, and they'd all like to have the job,'' Murray says, with a dismissive wave.

The 54-year-old actor sees himself simply as a suburban businessman, husband and father who occasionally makes movies. Sometimes these are classy, independent movies, for which he is paid far less than his customary $8 million or $9 million fee, and sometimes not, as when he provided the lead voice in last summer's "Garfield.''

Murray has walked out of the Ritz hotel at Battery Park, leaving behind a group of peevish reporters and frazzled studio publicists. How wonderfully Bill Murray of Bill Murray to act like this. How lovable, how hangdog -- and also how screw-you.

This is exactly the quality that director Sofia Coppola wanted when she begged Murray to play Bob Harris in "Lost in Translation'': The melancholic edge to his unpredictably manic riffing was allowed to simmer and congeal in his portrayal of an aging star trapped in the antiseptic luxury and weirdness of Tokyo.

Wes Anderson, who directed "The Life Aquatic,'' says of Murray: "He loves to be around people. Everybody feels like they know him, more than any other movie star I know. You walk around with Bill Murray and people just immediately go to him. They feel like they can, and he's OK with that.''

Murray's pre-eminence these days isn't all about art houses. It's also about the Bill Murray that men identify with and revere as a role model. They honor him by doing beery, crooked-jawed routines from "Stripes'' and "Meatballs'' and "Caddyshack.''

It's about the Bill Murray who starred in 1993's "Groundhog Day,'' and has since seen that film take on a profitable afterlife as, of all things, a teaching tool. Corporate trainers use it as a feel-good way to impart business philosophies. People who won't give a whit about "The Life Aquatic'' and thought "Lost in Translation'' was pointless will expound on how "Groundhog Day'' changed their lives, improved their sales, helped them fine-tune their backswing.

At January's Golden Globes ceremony, where he won best performance by an actor in a musical or comedy for "Lost in Translation,'' Murray told the audience he didn't think he was able to give the standard litany-of-phony-gratitude acceptance speech they'd heard all evening, and then deadpanned: "You can all relax. I fired my agents a couple months ago. My trainer, my physical trainer, killed himself.''

And people laughed, nervously, even as it turned out the next morning to be true: Murray had fired his two reps at Creative Artists Agency. His trainer, who'd worked with many celebrities, had killed himself.

"Why would you get up there and bore people?'' Murray asks, later, when we finally get to him and ask him about that speech. "I never have figured that out. These people are supposedly in the entertainment industry, and they finally get up there to that podium and they become the most boring people in the world.''

In the new movie, Steve Zissou is confronted by a man who may be his son. Murray sees little of his own experience as a father coming into his performance. "I never really think about parts that way,'' he says.

What has made him happy, lately?

"I went to the reunion of my grade school graduating class,'' Murray says. "Not the high school reunion, which is a whole different thing, but grade school. St. Joe's. These are the people that I was a little kid with. And nothing's really changed. You go and you really feel happy to have grown up and be alive, and you really feel just completely like yourself. That was one of the greatest times I've ever had, seriously, just being with those people again. Not talking about work or anything. Talking about our kids.''

We talk about the way Anderson's movies look, and wonder what "Caddyshack'' would have looked like if directors like Anderson had been around to give the whole thing a mid-century, WASPy hue.

"These guys know so much more about how they want every last thing to look,'' Murray says. "They speak a whole other language about movies, with all these different references. And they've seen everything.''

And they have somehow coaxed Murray into being a muse, a crank, a sage. At this point, a Touchstone minion comes in and announces time's up.

"Already? Darn,'' Murray deadpans, then laughs.

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John Moschella
01-05-2005, 07:56 AM
I'm also a Wes Anderson fan with Bottle Rocket my favorite. I thought this film was great. Zany with some great subordinate characters. The storming the Ping Island beach scene is priceless. Obviously not for everyone.

grbl
01-06-2005, 06:37 AM
I'm not a Wes Anderson fan, but I love Bill Murray, so I'd like to see it. I'll probably end up waiting for the DVD though.

davenav
01-06-2005, 08:01 PM
Just saw it and loved it!

Wes Anderson's characters seem to have an obsession with bringing order to chaos. They build these self-contained little worlds around them, complete with uniforms and extremely stylized quarters, but chaos, or life, always intrudes and ultimately forces them to change in ways they could never do if left to their own devices.

The scene that made me chuckle the most was the rescue of the stock broker stooge, all while being filmed, and directed by Captain Zissou.

I think this is one of those pictures, like Waiting For Huffman, that will build over time as people get more familiar with it.

nukevor
02-22-2005, 01:10 AM
Check it out!

news
http://www.digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

cover art
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=5888&n=1&burl=

GP
05-14-2005, 08:06 AM
I just saw this film on DVD--skipped the theater this time. Compared to a lot of the crappola that's been released these days, I thought this film was quite good with convincing performances all around and great visuals. It's a bit wacky, and a little too violent and tragic for me to call a "comedy", but I enjoyed it. The fictional aquatic species and the claymation stuff is really what made me laugh, along with Murray's laid back sarcasm, but I'm just silly like that. BM has a strong screen presence, whether playing a retard chasing after gofers or being almost serious about hunting down a spotted shark, and I'm a long time fan of his. I loved Rushmore, but as for LIT, I guess it's good to have a daddy who's a heavyweight director in the business, even if your film is a mediocre college film at best.

The Criterion DVD for "Aquatic" is probably one of the best film transfers I've seen in a while: clear, rich and vibrant, with great sound...and bits of Bach and Bowie in DTS. Maybe this is one of those films that's just more enjoyable at home.




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davenav
05-14-2005, 03:39 PM
I disagree about LIT. That film creates an insomnia-inspired mood and sustains it till the end. Very difficult to do. I find it a transcendant piece of work. A tour de force, really. Different strokes, I guess. But 'mediocre college film,' uh no...

Also, Scarlett Johannson is radiantly wonderful throughout.

Back on topic -- I can't wait to get the Criterion Steve Zissou!!! Kinda broke, though...

trucker
05-14-2005, 04:52 PM
I'm with the haters. Man, did Life Aquatic disappoint me. Like a lot of posters, I'm a big fan of both Anderson and Murray. Rushmore in particular is one of my all-time favorites, and I like Bottle Rocket a lot too. As for Tenenbaums, I do like it, but in hindsight I can see some nascent problems that really came to the fore in this last film.

The thing is, all four Wes Anderson pictures have a lot in common. They're all set in semi-imaginary, insular worlds populated by a dozen or so quirky personalities. They all tap into childhood fantasies and examine the predicament of children, whether literal or ostensibly grown-up, coming to terms with aspects of adult life. And more and more as they went along, they all try to experiment a little with the camerawork and with storytelling devices.

But in my opinion, what the first two films have in spades that the later ones lack is the chance to really get to know two or three main characters and really care how their shared journeys turn out. I mean, Rushmore's funny, but I personally find it very moving as well. Those films are quirky, but the quirks all grow from the slightly skewed main characters' personalities.

Whereas in the last two films, and especially Aquatic, I feel like Anderson has lost track of that. The supporting characters seem to consist of nothing but quirks, and actually, there's not a whole lot more to the protagonists. I'd have to say there's more to Max's dad in Rushmore, who I'd estimate has no more than twenty minutes of screen time, than even the main characters in Aquatic.

Of course, all the trappings are there... sets right of a grade school diorama, costumes right out of a grade school play. All of Anderson's favorite themes, and some further forays into the world of intellectual, "meta" storytelling. Oh, and some great music every time out. But where's the heart and soul? If you look past the costumes and accents and tics, do these characters have the filmmaking equivalent of the "breath of life," or are they just the same old archetypes in funny hats?

And actually, I'd have to say that what's there in Bill Murray's case is his new typecasting. Someone mentioned it's been good to see him get away from outright comic roles, but the fact is, he's been doing the glum, buried-sense-of-humor thing for a while now. It was good in Rushmore and Lost In Translation, but he was still doing it in his smaller role in Tenenbaums and he's still doing it here.

Oh, and one last little gripe. (Sorry, I know rants like this can get a little tedious.) But I find Anderson's sudden interest in nudity and violence a little gratuitous. I mean, it'd be one thing to really address sex or violence in the context of his kooky little worlds, through the eyes of his one-foot-still-in-the-playground characters. He's done a great job looking at romantic relationships in general through that lens. But I don't buy that he really has anything to say here. He's just been throwing topless women and sudden violence into the mix arbitrarily, as if it makes him look like a more mature filmmaker or something.

OK, rant over, thanks for reading if you made it this far. Sorry, had a really hard time dealing with a movie I strongly disliked from one of my very favorite directors, and never really got a chance to vent. Here's hoping he bounces back. :)