Next Mofi SACD's are... [Archive]

Tullman

06-12-2002, 07:25 AM

Not interested in either. Music direct had a survey before they started to produce more mofi cds. Obviously they haven't used any of my suggestions.

Paul L.

06-12-2002, 07:32 AM

Tullman,

I am not in any position to know about licensing fees, and I bet it's not easy to get good info on them, but my guess is that the Rolling Stones can demand a lot more than other big name acts.

And remember, that $250,000 figure was just a guess made by an unidentified person in one writer's story. It's not official.

I'd think there'd be lots of groups that would love to have their stuff reissued. Surely not all of them are holding out for big bucks. Some of them would probably welcome a few extra thousand.

MagicAlex

06-12-2002, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by Claus
Isaac Hayes' Hot Buttered Soul

Sonny Rollins' Plus 4

Is there a website or something where we can get more info? Is there any release date scheduled? Thanks!

Todd Fredericks

06-12-2002, 07:38 AM

Tullman, the early Stones catalog is a top, top shelf deal (with ABKCO asking the sky's the limit) and also very difficult to get permission to even consider doing (read the archives). How many audiophile companies have done the early Stones on CD (also the MFSL vinyl deal for Beatles and maybe the Stones was rumored to be a fluke)? How many have done other top shelf acts like Pink Floyd, the Who, the Doors, McCartney, etc? Many because a deal could be made that was workable. ABKCO just charges a lot of big dollars and that's that. Others may not charge as much, it depends...

Todd

Claus

06-12-2002, 07:46 AM

The Mofi website (www.mofi.com) doesn't work yet... I got a mail from Mofi... no release date for the upcoming remasters.

Ben

06-12-2002, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Paul L.
Tullman,

I'd think there'd be lots of groups that would love to have their stuff reissued. Surely not all of them are holding out for big bucks. Some of them would probably welcome a few extra thousand.

Um - no, that's doubtful.

A few extra thousand is not going to make the difference.

When they can get upwards of $250,000 just for rights to the music for a damn car spot...you know that's the yardstick.

This is the real world - reality check time. That's what MOFI is experiencing.

Reality.

syogusr

06-12-2002, 08:33 AM

Yes, Hot Buttered Soul is most welcomed! I recently bought the German 24-bit pressing of this CD, and was not that all impressed; but will buy the MO-FI version. Speaking of SACD players, I noticed that the Sony SCD-C222ES is down around $500, anyone know of better players (or this one) at a better price?

Henry Love

06-12-2002, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Tullman
Not interested in either. Music direct had a survey before they started to produce more mofi cds. Obviously they haven't used any of my suggestions.

I bet it would be a lot cheaper to get the vinyl reissued.

Todd Fredericks

06-12-2002, 08:53 AM

Steve, J&R has the 222ES for something like $379 (I think that's the price/I saw it last night). Just to let you know, that the 222ES is basically a CE775 ($179) with metal body and an additional transformer, gold outputs, 5 year warranty, etc. The two units are supposed to be just about identical. If you're interested in the 222ES, then I'd suggest go for the CE775 (J&R has it in stock & I think they price match/you can also haggle, the want you to). They sell the Sony SCD C555ES (different build/etc. then other two) for $599.99 but again, you can haggle (I got mine for $538/the salesman & I were actually enjoying the process/cool guy).

Todd

Dave

06-12-2002, 11:32 AM

OK, seriousness time.

Let's all just face the facts. Mofi and DCC were not made a functional by releasing Jazz titles! What made these companies solid was the classic rock albums. You don't see John Coltrane or even Frank Sinatra commanding, and getting $150.00 US., now do you!

The big money's on the classic R&R releases, fact! Enough of all the Jazz titles already! Let's leave the Jazz to the smaller labels and get to what we all really want.

I'm totally with Claus on this one. We as consumers have waited long enough! So far the only SACD titles that I'll be willing to drop my hard earned dollars on will be Steve's, and even then I'll be trying just one first. If it is that much better than our "old gold" a la SH, then, and only then, I'll take the SACD plunge.

Sckott

06-12-2002, 11:36 AM

People are saying they can't find the MFSL SACD for Duke Ellington's "Blues Orbit" going for less than $150. Anyone find a copy for less? Seriously!

Matt

06-12-2002, 11:36 AM

Wait a minute, "Sonny Rollins Plus Four"? We're talking about the album recorded by the quintet featuring Sonny Rollins, Clifford Brown, and Max Roach, correct?

That is a GREAT album! It's arguably one of the two or three best albums Clifford Brown ever recorded (check out "Pent-Up House," which is a CLASSIC).

I always wished DCC had done this album, but hey, at least MFSL's giving it a shot.

Oh, and "Hot Buttered Soul" is a pretty damn good album in its own right, too.

Steve Hoffman

06-12-2002, 11:37 AM

We rejected the tapes on the Sonny Rollins as being not good enough for a Gold CD...

Maybe they unearthed something different.

Todd Fredericks

06-12-2002, 11:42 AM

There are some jazz titles commanding pretty high prices. Look at all the OOP Mosaic sets, the DCC Nat King Cole albums, Duke Ellington, etc. I think the key thing is the demand for a title and how good the mastering sounds compared to anything else out there...

Todd

Todd Fredericks

06-12-2002, 11:46 AM

We rejected the tapes on the Sonny Rollins as being not good enough for a Gold CD...

This doesn't sound like very good news for this upcoming release. Could they have done a re-balance from the multi-tape (did you evaluate that source too)? Maybe they use a first pressing LP as the source (kidding)...

Todd

Steve Hoffman

06-12-2002, 11:52 AM

No multi-tape, Todd.

This was a single channel Van Gelder deal, complete with his standard little spring reverb box.

Great album though. Wouldn't be my first choice for an SACD, but perhaps they did indeed find a better sounding source.... That would be neat!

Dave

06-12-2002, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by Sckott
People are saying they can't find the MFSL SACD for Duke Ellington's "Blues Orbit" going for less than $150. Anyone find a copy for less? Seriously!
Seriously Sckott! I see this one sealed on ebay at least once a month with a buy it now of between $50.-$60.

Todd, Yes Nat is the ONLY exception to this rule. Have you EVER seen a jazz title (1 cd) go for $323.00 US.? Funny, a sealed Al Stewart MFSL can get that easily.;)

Don't get me wrong. I do like jazz, but there is sooooo much already available, and not enough R&R to go around.

aceman400

06-12-2002, 12:47 PM

Steve's Nat is not the only expensive jazz title

Just last month a sealed Jon Klemmer went for $208 on Ebay
I track high MFSL CD closes and other jazz titles have had very high closes
Louis Armstrong/Duke Ellington $275
MFSL Jazz Sampler $405
Buddy RIch Mr Drums $255
Ella Fitzgerald Swinging Christmas $163
Heck, even their Christmas and Gospel CD's fetch over $100 at times
The most expensive single MFSL CD I've seen on Ebay is the SPC-7 IASCA Test CD.
It went for $768 about a year ago
I don't think anyone would say lets Test Discs out because they are worth the most.

This seems like the wrong criteria to use when deciding what to put out.

Dave

06-12-2002, 01:12 PM

OK, I stand corrected on the over $323./Jazz titles. Being up here, I can't find completed auctions from the US. on ebay, I've tried. But, there is still a severe lacking in audiophile R&R recordings, and I'm done with purchasing jazz titles.

Case in point. If I were to offer a sealed copy of say Harry "Sweets" Edison, Eddie "Lockjaw" Davis MFSL for $100.00 I would get not even one reply. However, if I were to list a sealed Pink Floyd: DSOTM UD1, I'd have to fight off the dogs!

petzi

06-12-2002, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Dave
... What made these companies solid was the classic rock albums. You don't see John Coltrane or even Frank Sinatra commanding, and getting $150.00 US., now do you!

Well I just saw a DCC Coltrane "Lush Life" go for over 50. That´s not 150 but twice the regular price.
I have all DCC jazz releases, and I appreciated them very much.

mcow1

06-12-2002, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by petzi

Well I just saw a DCC Coltrane "Lush Life" go for over 50. That´s not 150 but twice the regular price.
I have all DCC jazz releases, and I appreciated them very much.
Man, and it's still $10 at musicforasong