Yes - Close To The Edge DVD-A

[lennonfan]

I saw one list of releases that has this coming out next Tuesday, which I think is unlikely in that not one copy has hit the collectors' market yet (at least that I know of)....Close To The Edge is, of course, a must have in a hi-rez so I'm wondering if anyone has the skinny on the release date.....needless to say that day I'll be standing in line;)

[JakeM]

I think the latest word on this over at YesWorld is that they couldn't find the master tapes so this is being replaced with Fragile. Not sure if they have a release date scheduled yet.

[Gary]

I'll repeat something that I said in a previous post: Neil Young is being released in DVD-A? And now Yes!

Time to find a DVD-A player! It's DVD for me! :)

[JohnG]

Originally posted by Gary
I'll repeat something that I said in a previous post: Neil Young is being released in DVD-A? And now Yes!

Time to find a DVD-A player! It's DVD for me! :)

That's how I have felt the past year. There have been some really great Classic Rock albums released on DVDA recently and the trend continues.

One reason I have not regretted the purchase of my Panasonic RP-91 player.

Harvest should be a hoot!

JohnG:D

[R. Cat Conrad]

My sentiments exactly, JohnG! I bought the same model DVD/DVD-A player a couple of months back. An added benefit is that the RP-91 is a great progressive scan DVD player as well, able to frame black side-bars on academy formated films (4:3) in place of the gray bars on many WS sets and it doesn't have the chroma bug problem most prog. scan DVD players have.

It's gratifying to see that excellent classic rock titles are starting to come out on DVD-A. :D

Cheers,
R. Cat Conrad

[Richard Feirstein]

Two current issues with DVD-A that suggest one should wait just a bit.

1. No current hardware has adequate bass management or timeing alignment management. This significant issue will be adequately addressed with offerings near commercial release.

2. Significantly higher royalty charges forcing high prices for DVD-A releases. Heck, if you don't have to ask what it costs ignore this issue. (What are we paying now for some of SH's handywork?)

Brings up the sad situation the industry has thrust upon the hapless consumer. We should not have to choose the player based upon what artist currently is being release in which format. This sucks big time. I tried to get around this with an APEX 7702 dual format player, but that was a dead end.:(

[Tullman]

Originally posted by Gary
I'll repeat something that I said in a previous post: Neil Young is being released in DVD-A? And now Yes!

Time to find a DVD-A player! It's DVD for me! :)

Me too, except I want one with sacd, hdcd, and can play the regulars cds as well. Plus I want it to sound as good as my Krell 20i.

[Gary]

Originally posted by Tullman


Me too, except I want one with sacd, hdcd, and can play the regulars cds as well. Plus I want it to sound as good as my Krell 20i.

I think you'll be waiting a loooong, loooong, looong time, my friend! :D

I'm resigned to the fact that I'll probably have 3 CD players.... HDCD (that I already have), SACD and DVD-A. :rolleyes: And I'll have to turn off the system to plug in the next player that I want to hear. :mad:

Sometimes I just HATE technology! :p

[Tullman]

Originally posted by Gary


I think you'll be waiting a loooong, loooong, looong time, my friend! :D

I'm resigned to the fact that I'll probably have 3 CD players.... HDCD (that I already have), SACD and DVD-A. :rolleyes: And I'll have to turn off the system to plug in the next player that I want to hear. :mad:

Sometimes I just HATE technology! :p

Gary, we should start a thread about universal cd/dvd players. Do you remember when they came out with to video formats. Sony's format never made it and the people that bought into it got screwed.

[Gary]

Yea, but as far as I know, there are only two: Apex (which never worked) and Pioneer (which I have never seen). (Yet!).

Wait. I don't think Apex did HDCD.

Actually Beta is alive and well and living in TV stations, etc. as a professional recording medium... but you probably already knew that. You are right - the consumers got screwed.

I think that we are too impatient. Wait a few years and universal players will be everywhere. But I can't wait.... I want it NOW! :D

[Beagle]

Sorry, not me. Not now, anyway. I'm sticking with my LP's and CD's. I don't even listen to my SACD's much anymore, just no desire to do so not to purchase anymore. I realize that I'm simply not wringing any more music out of them that was not there on my LP's. And with DVD-A you don't know what you are going to get. There's a good chance you won't even get the original 2 channel stereo version, you likely will get a tinkered-with multi-channel one and a fold-down stereo version of it.

[Gary]

Originally posted by Beagle
. There's a good chance you won't even get the original 2 channel stereo version, you likely will get a tinkered-with multi-channel one and a fold-down stereo version of it.

Hmmm that will bug the %#$^ outa me! Even if it was done or approved by the artist. Don't change history, man!

But I'd never *replace* my vinyl with DVD or SACD....... to me it's jsut another format to hear music on.

[Ken_McAlinden]

As far as the bass management issue with DVD-Audio, keep in mind that this is only an issue for the MLP multichannel tracks if you do not have full range speakers all around. If you have full range speakers all around (fairly uncommon) or are primarily interested in the 2-channel mixes (fairly common around these parts), then it is not so big an issue.

Regards,

[Tullman]

Originally posted by Gary
Yea, but as far as I know, there are only two: Apex (which never worked) and Pioneer (which I have never seen). (Yet!).

Wait. I don't think Apex did HDCD.

Actually Beta is alive and well and living in TV stations, etc. as a professional recording medium... but you probably already knew that. You are right - the consumers got screwed.

I think that we are too impatient. Wait a few years and universal players will be everywhere. But I can't wait.... I want it NOW! :D

I'll wait!!

[lennonfan]

Originally posted by Ken_McAlinden
As far as the bass management issue with DVD-Audio, keep in mind that this is only an issue for the MLP multichannel tracks if you do not have full range speakers all around. If you have full range speakers all around (fairly uncommon) or are primarily interested in the 2-channel mixes (fairly common around these parts), then it is not so big an issue.

Regards,

I use 5 full range speakers all 'round, so the .1 bit is of no use to me whatsoever. Believe me, DVD-A sound kicks royal butt, it has smooth transparency with a marvelous soundstage. I've been into multi-channel since 1973. I think DVD-A is just awesome and truly the highest grade sound I've yet heard (I heard a demo of SACD but thought it wasn't any real improvement over DVD-A), plus I liked the video potential and graphics which are really beautifully presented on the Queen-NATO disc.
Once a classic selection is more fully realized, more and more will hop on this audiophile bandwagon:) DVD-Video is in something like 30 million homes, and that's just in a few years...it's an exciting time for the home audio enthusiast:)

[JohnG]

This is the latest from YesWorld:

"Yes Updates

A DVD-A version of Fragile in the works, to be released by Rhino in the Fall. The release of the DVD-A version of Close to the Edge has been pushed back to later this year.
Magnification will be released in May as a limited edition CD. This release is slated to include live tracks from Amsterdam and video selections. "


So the good news is that a DVDA of "Fragile" may be out by Fall 2002. And that the "Close To The Edge" DVDA is still being worked on.

JohnG

:)

[krabapple]

Originally posted by Gary


Hmmm that will bug the %#$^ outa me! Even if it was done or approved by the artist. Don't change history, man!

But I'd never *replace* my vinyl with DVD or SACD....... to me it's jsut another format to hear music on.


I've seen only one DVD-A where you *don't* get the original mix mastered in DVD-A 2-channel: ELP's Brain Salad Surgery, which was the first one Rhino ever did.
The standard practice seems to be to include the original 2-ch mix as an option.

[krabapple]

Originally posted by JohnG
This is the latest from YesWorld:

"Yes Updates

A DVD-A version of Fragile in the works, to be released by Rhino in the Fall. The release of the DVD-A version of Close to the Edge has been pushed back to later this year.
Magnification will be released in May as a limited edition CD. This release is slated to include live tracks from Amsterdam and video selections. "


So the good news is that a DVDA of "Fragile" may be out by Fall 2002. And that the "Close To The Edge" DVDA is still being worked on.

JohnG

:)


N.B. This is in addition to the 2-disc orchestral 'Live in Amsterdam' already out on DVD-V in Europe, and to be released in the States in the next month or so.

[krabapple]

Originally posted by Gary


I think you'll be waiting a loooong, loooong, looong time, my friend! :D

I'm resigned to the fact that I'll probably have 3 CD players.... HDCD (that I already have), SACD and DVD-A. :rolleyes: And I'll have to turn off the system to plug in the next player that I want to hear. :mad:

Sometimes I just HATE technology! :p

right now you can get DVD-A + HDCD in one box pretty cheaply -- Toshiba SD-5700.

[syogusr]

Does anyone have a date in which Cheap Thrills is to be released on DVD-A??

[MikeT]

Originally posted by syogusr
Does anyone have a date in which Cheap Thrills is to be released on DVD-A??

Cheap Thrills will not be a DVD-A, it will be a multi-channel SACD. Sony owns the rights to this recording and they only release SACD.

As far as the date is concerned, it's anyones guess right now. You really can't rely on Sony SACD release dates until they are posted on the www.sonymusic.com new release listing.

[GabeG]

Cheap Thrills may very well be released on DVD-A. Sony stated they would be releasing 10 DVD-A's. However, given how hard it is to see what SACDs they are releasing, it is anyones guess what DVD-A's are coming and when (I know Bat out of Hell had been mentioned).


- Gabe

[syogusr]

Gabe: I believe you are right, as on page 9 of the June Ice; they refer to Cheap Thrills and Harvest as being early summer releases, but no official date given. I was wondering if anyone had a clue, because these are 'must-have' in my book!

[bmoura]

Originally posted by GabeG
Cheap Thrills may very well be released on DVD-A. Sony stated they would be releasing 10 DVD-A's. However, given how hard it is to see what SACDs they are releasing, it is anyones guess what DVD-A's are coming and when (I know Bat out of Hell had been mentioned).
- Gabe

No, Sony has made it very clear that they are not issuing DVD-A discs - only SACDs.

As for Cheap Thrills, it is on the Upcoming Multichannel SACD release list.

[vex]

Originally posted by Beagle
And with DVD-A you don't know what you are going to get. There's a good chance you won't even get the original 2 channel stereo version, you likely will get a tinkered-with multi-channel one and a fold-down stereo version of it.

I totally disagree. Most, if not all, DVD-A stereo mixes are separate and distinct from the multi-channel mixes. Even with the emphasis on multi-channel, the stereo mixes are not being short-changed and history is not being altered. For prime examples, I point to Eagles - Hotel California and Doors - L.A. Woman, although there are dozens and dozens more. I think you will find the stereo mixes not only true to the original, but incredibly satisfying in the new hi-rez format.

I still can't figure why there is so much resistance to this new format. The audio benefits over standard redbook are astounding! If you're happy and content with ol' redbook, that's fine, many people are, but why try and dissuade others from experiencing the new format? I urge everyone to experience DVD-A firsthand before dismissing it!