KeithH
08-01-2004, 08:20 PM
I found a Steely Dan Katy Lied CD today that I don't recall being discussed here before. First, let me say that it sounds fantastic. Second, let me say that I am not about to classify it as "The Hoffman Version" or "The Nichols Version". All I will say for now is that it sounds great.
The disc is a US pressing, and it's a Columbia Record Club release. What's interesting is that the inserts are nearly identical to those with the original Japanese pressing (i.e., full artwork), but the catalog number is MCAD-31194, not MCAD-37043. So, the disc has the catalog number for the Compact Disc Compact Price version, but it does not have the awful Compact Disc Compact Price artwork. There is no green plaid back insert and no pink Compact Disc Compact Price ad on the back cover of the booklet.
The spines on the back insert say "MCAD 31194" and "DIDY-373", and the font on the spines is the same as seen on the original Japanese pressing (again, catalog number MCAD-37043). There is no barcode on the back insert. The copyright dates on the back insert and in the booklet are 1975 and 1985. The back insert has "MCAD 31194" in the bottom left corner and "DIDY-373" in the bottom right corner. The back cover of the booklet has this same information in the bottom left and right corners.
The disc has the following information to the right of the CD format logo:
MCD 31194
DIDY 000373
CRC
Yes, the catalog number prefix is shown erroneously on the disc as MCD instead of MCAD. The matrix code is "DIDX-000373 6". The format and font of the matrix code would indicate that the disc was pressed at the DADC plant in Terre Haute, but there is nothing stamped on the clear plastic ring to confirm this.
I compared this disc in a few ways to an original Japanese pressing with matrix code "MCAD 37043 S1E:1". On my Sony SCD-C555ES changer, the CRC disc clocks in at 35:36 and the Japanese pressing clocks in at 35:38. Then, I performed a "Test Selected Tracks" with EAC on both discs (all tracks). The peak levels on the two discs are identical. Here's the data I got from EAC:
EAC extraction logfile from 1. August 2004, 22:39 for CD
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-248F Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track01.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 746610B1
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track02.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC F5490258
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track03.wav
Peak level 94.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8E083081
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track04.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC C6BBB8A7
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8636206F
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track06.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 22CCEEAF
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track07.wav
Peak level 79.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC E1F9936D
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track08.wav
Peak level 92.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC F2EE479A
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track09.wav
Peak level 89.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8876680D
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track10.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC 084641F4
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
I am using the latest Beta version of EAC (from March of this year). The only difference I noticed with EAC is that it "knew" the track names for the Japanese pressing but did not "know" them for the CRC pressing. :confused: Anyway, based on the EAC data, it would seem that the two discs are identical.
Finally, I listened to both discs. I focused on "Doctor Wu". At this point, I am not convinced that the discs are identical based on what I heard this evening. I thought the CRC disc sounded fuller. It just seemed that the CRC disc had a more rounded sound. However, I am not certain of this at this point. I will do further comparisons in the next few days and post my thoughts.
Has anyone else come across this CRC version of Katy Lied? How do you like the sound?
The disc is a US pressing, and it's a Columbia Record Club release. What's interesting is that the inserts are nearly identical to those with the original Japanese pressing (i.e., full artwork), but the catalog number is MCAD-31194, not MCAD-37043. So, the disc has the catalog number for the Compact Disc Compact Price version, but it does not have the awful Compact Disc Compact Price artwork. There is no green plaid back insert and no pink Compact Disc Compact Price ad on the back cover of the booklet.
The spines on the back insert say "MCAD 31194" and "DIDY-373", and the font on the spines is the same as seen on the original Japanese pressing (again, catalog number MCAD-37043). There is no barcode on the back insert. The copyright dates on the back insert and in the booklet are 1975 and 1985. The back insert has "MCAD 31194" in the bottom left corner and "DIDY-373" in the bottom right corner. The back cover of the booklet has this same information in the bottom left and right corners.
The disc has the following information to the right of the CD format logo:
MCD 31194
DIDY 000373
CRC
Yes, the catalog number prefix is shown erroneously on the disc as MCD instead of MCAD. The matrix code is "DIDX-000373 6". The format and font of the matrix code would indicate that the disc was pressed at the DADC plant in Terre Haute, but there is nothing stamped on the clear plastic ring to confirm this.
I compared this disc in a few ways to an original Japanese pressing with matrix code "MCAD 37043 S1E:1". On my Sony SCD-C555ES changer, the CRC disc clocks in at 35:36 and the Japanese pressing clocks in at 35:38. Then, I performed a "Test Selected Tracks" with EAC on both discs (all tracks). The peak levels on the two discs are identical. Here's the data I got from EAC:
EAC extraction logfile from 1. August 2004, 22:39 for CD
Unknown Artist / Unknown Title
Used drive : SAMSUNG CD-R/RW SW-248F Adapter: 1 ID: 0
Read mode : Secure with NO C2, accurate stream, disable cache
Read offset correction : 0
Overread into Lead-In and Lead-Out : No
Used output format : Internal WAV Routines
44.100 Hz; 16 Bit; Stereo
Other options :
Fill up missing offset samples with silence : Yes
Delete leading and trailing silent blocks : No
Native Win32 interface for Win NT & 2000
Track 1
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track01.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 746610B1
Copy OK
Track 2
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track02.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC F5490258
Copy OK
Track 3
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track03.wav
Peak level 94.1 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8E083081
Copy OK
Track 4
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track04.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC C6BBB8A7
Copy OK
Track 5
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track05.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8636206F
Copy OK
Track 6
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track06.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 22CCEEAF
Copy OK
Track 7
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track07.wav
Peak level 79.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC E1F9936D
Copy OK
Track 8
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track08.wav
Peak level 92.3 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC F2EE479A
Copy OK
Track 9
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track09.wav
Peak level 89.2 %
Track quality 100.0 %
Test CRC 8876680D
Copy OK
Track 10
Filename C:\Documents and Settings\Keith\Desktop\Track10.wav
Peak level 100.0 %
Track quality 99.9 %
Test CRC 084641F4
Copy OK
No errors occured
End of status report
I am using the latest Beta version of EAC (from March of this year). The only difference I noticed with EAC is that it "knew" the track names for the Japanese pressing but did not "know" them for the CRC pressing. :confused: Anyway, based on the EAC data, it would seem that the two discs are identical.
Finally, I listened to both discs. I focused on "Doctor Wu". At this point, I am not convinced that the discs are identical based on what I heard this evening. I thought the CRC disc sounded fuller. It just seemed that the CRC disc had a more rounded sound. However, I am not certain of this at this point. I will do further comparisons in the next few days and post my thoughts.
Has anyone else come across this CRC version of Katy Lied? How do you like the sound?