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Humorem
04-19-2002, 09:55 PM
Everybody please go see this movie in as big a movie theatre as you have in your town. It's great! The review in the new Rolling Stone is right on the money.

I'm even going to buy the 4 CD boxset. The sound was excellent in the theatre and I hope they managed to get some of that on the CDs. The 3 LP set was never much in the sonics department I'm sorry to say, so let's hope we finally get to hear The Band and their special guests properly.

TP

luke j. chung
04-20-2002, 02:00 AM
Tom, this movie will be available on DVD on May 7th with the same 5.1-channel surround mix you heard in that theater. Robbie Robertson himself supervised the remix of this soundtrack from the original multitracks, for both the DVD and the spinoff 4-CD Rhino box set coming out on April 23rd. There's also going to be a 2-disc DVD-A of "The Last Waltz" consisting only of the songs included in the original 3-LP release, which is coming out May 14th. If you're a fan of "The Last Waltz", I'd spend my money on all three of these releases, which I'm planning to do!;)

Jim Ricketts
04-20-2002, 04:59 AM
Great, great version of "The Weight" - absolutely, positively one of my all time favorite R&R songs.

Humorem
04-20-2002, 10:15 AM
Watch The Last Waltz on television? That's a good one.

You're joking, right?
TP

Bill
04-20-2002, 10:37 AM
Watch the Last Waltz on television? Well,....yes, on a 5.1 surround sound big screen: why not? I'd rather pay $20 for a DVD that I can enjoy anytime I want than $8 to see it once in a theatre.

By your logic, Tom, somebody would have to be crazy to buy recorded music when you could hear it live. I don't need to tell you where that would leave you with your $100 Supertramp British pressings!

In other words----lighten up.

Dave
04-20-2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Bill
By your logic, Tom, somebody would have to be crazy to buy recorded music when you could hear it live. I don't need to tell you where that would leave you with your $100 Supertramp British pressings!
Bill, I don't believe that Tom was being heavy handed in his opinion/response. Perhaps you are being a little overly assertive in your response, possibly an encounter with the old Tom.

Please be nicer to Tom as we can see by his new posts this last week that he's really trying to keep it civil. ;)

Rspaight
04-20-2002, 12:43 PM
It's certainly possible these days to match if not surpass the film-going experience of a typical multiplex in your living room. DVDs on a set that supports 16x9 enhancement are *very* high quality visually. The sound is easily better on a good system than the typically carelessly set-up and maintained systems in your local twentyplex. Plus, no morons talking through the movie, laser pointers, or overpriced snacks.

Now a *real* theater, with a projectionist who gives a damn and a top-flight sound system, is still the way to go, but home theater has come a long way in the last five years.

Ryan

Humorem
04-22-2002, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Bill
Watch the Last Waltz on television? Well,....yes, on a 5.1 surround sound big screen: why not? I'd rather pay $20 for a DVD that I can enjoy anytime I want than $8 to see it once in a theatre.

By your logic, Tom, somebody would have to be crazy to buy recorded music when you could hear it live.

The live music experience cannot be duplicated in the home, and neither can the movie theatre experience, and if you can't or don't appreciate those differences, oh well. To me they are very important. I enjoy both. Why settle for just one?

Once the theatrical run for The Last Waltz is over, which will be soon, your options will have been closed. The reason I bothered to post this thread in the first place is to prevent that from happening. It's easy to delay, but time, tide and this movie wait for no man, so get off the couch and see the real thing, not the "home version" of it. You can do that later.

Recorded music has its place in the world. It is no substitute for live music, as everyone who has ever heard any live music knows full well. It is a different experience, one I enjoy regularly, but certainly bears little resemblance to the live event, regardless of how big the stereo may be.

I think I can reproduce Crime of the Century better than practically anyone. My whole stereo philosophy is built on recordings of that nature. And I've played that album easily 500 times (I have a tape of it in the car that I've listened to for 15 years, still going strong too.)

I saw Supertramp round about 1985, and can still remember it (albeit not so clearly as the years go by). I'm glad I made the effort to go. It was a thrill, and playing Crime 500 more times will never give me a thrill like it. Other thrills to be sure, but not like that one.

I saw Richard Thompson yesterday at the Whole Earth Festival, just him and his acoustic guitar, and I will certainly never forget it. None of my audiophile friends bothered to make the effort to go with me. Not too surprising, to be honest.

I love his albums, but it just ain't the same thing as seeing him live. And going to see The Band on the big screen is an experience worth the effort as well.

TP

Humorem
04-22-2002, 01:00 PM
April 19, 2002
MUSIC
One Last Waltz

By JIM FUSILLI

Robbie Robertson has his eye, and ear, on history.

The guitarist, songwriter and leader of The Band recently spent more than
five months in recording studios where he supervised the remixing and
remastering of tapes from the group's Thanksgiving 1976 farewell concert,
which featured a bevy of rock's elite as guest performers. The new audio
version of "The Last Waltz," as the event came to be known, graces a four-CD
box set by Rhino (in stores Tuesday). It includes not only the original 30
tracks by The Band with artists such as Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton and Van
Morrison, but also 24 previously unreleased performances, by Muddy Waters,
Neil Young, Joni Mitchell and others, that didn't appear on the original
albums, issued in 1978, or in the Martin Scorsese film of the concert. (The
restored film of "The Last Waltz" is now in a limited theatrical run; the
DVD will be available May 7.)



In an era when rock favored big stars, guitar gods and politicized
singer-songwriters, The Band played music, as a unit, that was indisputably
American, built on traditional country, blues, R&B and rock 'n' roll rather
than on fashionable trends. That four of the five members were Canadian gave
their lyrics an outsider's fresh perspective, and that they seemed to have
maturity, no doubt from years of struggle, gave their songs a genuine
gravitas. There was no one like them back then, and there hasn't been since.

Once in a Lifetime

"The objective is to pass this on to younger generations and say this was a
special time and place where special talents came together," Mr. Robertson
said during a recent conversation. "I wanted to be able to present this
music with the quality of sound people now relate to. It won't be looked on
like it's tired or with the attitude that it's an antique."

Twenty-five years ago, Mr. Robertson was lost in the moment, he said. While
working on the film, his first, with Mr. Scorsese and cutting the album, he
had little time to focus on the music's sound. "But I realized after we had
done it, it was a once-in-a-lifetime thing," he said. "There was only going
to be one farewell concert by The Band, but also this crop of talent --
meaning the musicians, Scorsese, the recording engineers -- there was a good
chance we'll never see that again."

This time around, Mr. Robertson got it right. The sound quality on the CDs
is superb, and not only audiophiles will benefit. For example, Mr.
Robertson's diligence unearthed the glories of the arrangers and
seven-member horn section, who emerge as unsung heroes of the concert.
Howard Johnson's arrangement of the previously unreleased version of "This
Wheel's on Fire" is nothing less than thrilling, and the horns play it with
delightful abandon. Allen Toussaint's baleful charts for "The Night They
Drove Old Dixie Down" support the song's tragic lyrics, while Henry Glover's
soulful arrangement of "Tura Lura Lural" lets Mr. Morrison and The Band's
Richard Manuel do a Ray Charles turn on the old Irish ballad.

The new set's aural separation -- or "air," as Mr. Robertson called it --
permits listeners easy access to every instrument and every musician. Most
notably, Garth Hudson's performance on keyboards shines through. Considering
that he and the group's other members rehearsed only briefly with their
guests, it's a remarkable night of work. "He's a master musician," Mr.
Robertson said of Mr. Hudson. "When The Band was together, people who really
knew the difference knew there was no keyboard player that was in his
league. Imaginative, experimental, with no clichés, he could just as easily
have been playing with the philharmonic. Or Miles Davis."

Mr. Robertson, Mr. Hudson, Mr. Manuel, Rick Danko and The Band's best-known
voice, drummer Levon Helm, show their capabilities time and again on "The
Last Waltz," and it's refreshing to hear them presented so lovingly. They
rip through their superb repertoire with the fire they demonstrated for most
of their 16 years together. In concert, The Band was a looser, more
aggressive unit than on its studio recordings, which were generally sedate
and cerebral, though at times brilliant. They were creatures of the road:
Backing Ronnie Hawkins and Mr. Dylan before they set out under their own
flag as The Band, the quintet burnished their skills in dives and roadhouses
more often than they played velvet-curtained concert halls. David Fricke's
terrific liner notes reveal that The Band once performed for four people at
a Fort Worth, Texas, club owned by Jack Ruby. The November 1976 show in San
Francisco at Bill Graham's Winterland, before some 5,400 fans, gave them a
chance to flash all their colors, as rock icons and as musicians.

Broadening the View

Among the highlights of that night are "Up on Cripple Creek," "Life Is a
Carnival" and "Ophelia," the latter enriched by Mr. Hudson's charts and,
again, that lively group of horns. "It Makes No Difference" features a
bittersweet vocal by Danko and a biting guitar solo by Mr. Robertson. If the
'78 albums gave the impression that by sharing the spotlight, The Band had
failed to play many of the tunes for which it was best known, the new
version broadens the view of what a customary night with The Band was like
by including for the first time favorites like "The Weight," "Acadian
Driftwood," "Rag Mama Rag," "The W.S. Walcott Medicine Show" and "Chest
Fever."

The performances by the guests are a mixed bag, as Mr. Robertson concedes.
It's unavoidable, he says, in a proper documentary. "It's not all about the
highlights. You need the hills and valleys." But some of the previously
unreleased cuts are first rate: Muddy Waters and Pinetop Perkins toss off a
bouncing version of "Caldonia," while Joni Mitchell plays a brooding "Furry
Sings the Blues," with Mr. Young joining in on harmonica. Mr. Dylan's set is
restored, with the addition of "Hazel," from "Planet Waves," an album he cut
with The Band in 1974. His appearance is the highlight of the set, revealing
The Band's adaptability -- apparently, Mr. Dylan hadn't told them exactly
what he intended to play -- and its legacy.

"I don't go into nostalgia. I go into what needs to be done," Mr. Robertson
said. "In the studio, I could jump between what the sound was and what it is
now. It was like night and day. What we've got now lets you get inside the
music. You can hear the fingers on the strings. This new audio gives you the
best seat in the house."
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Bill
04-22-2002, 01:35 PM
While I agree with your comment that there is no recorded substitute for live music, I'm not so sure that, with advances in home video, there is that much of a gap between viewing the Last Waltz in a theatre or watching it at home on DVD. In fact, I'm willing to bet you that, to a scientific certainty, if I plunk down my $8 to see the film in a theatre tonight, I'll be sitting next to a couple who are continually discussing some disputed aspect of their relationship and/or directly in front of a group of "youtts" who feel compelled to relate to each other the professional and personal history of each performer as she or he appears on the screen.

So...while I'll wait for the DVD, but don't dispute for one second your comment about how great this film is. I saw it the day it first came out at a huge theatre and was so blown away that I stayed for a second showing. Can't wait to see what Marty and Robbie did to it now that the stimulants have reportedly worn off!

Humorem
04-22-2002, 01:58 PM
Bill,
I lived in San Diego when the film came out and drove to Los Angeles with two other film buff friends to see it at the Cinerama Dome, the biggest screen we could find. I can still remember it. That's a three hour drive. I think that kind of dedication is a good thing.

But last week I saw it in a local theatre and nobody talked, not once.

I hate when people kick the back of my seat, and have to move to a "safe" area of the theatre sometimes, but it doesn't keep me from going to the movies.

If you invite 20 friends (or other people) to watch the movie with you at home, in the dark, with no interruptions, then you would start to recreate some semblance of the event (although in a miniaturized way that I would not find acceptable), but that's not going to happen, is it? So instead you're more or less by yourself, which is just not the way to see this film, IMO.

And if people start talking in the theatre, just shush them! Most of the time they will shut up.

Unlike me, on this thread. I will never accept that home theatre is a substitute for going to the movies. Ever. Because it's not. Home theatre has no doubt come a long way. CDs have too. But if there's something better, like movie theatres or LPs, that's for me.

TP

GabeG
04-22-2002, 02:06 PM
Home theater HAS come a long way. I have a pretty decent setup that has been calibrated by an ISF tech and collect DVDs the way I collect CDs. I love the expererience.

However...

In no way would I ever pass up a chance to see a movie in a great theater with a room full of people. Yes, sometimes you have an idiot who talks too much next to you BUT much of the excitement of seeing a movie (or play or concert) comes from the social experience.

I will buy THE LAST WALTZ dvd in May BUT I am very glad I saw it first in a crowded theater. In fact, I saw it a couple of weeks a ago at the Zigfield (this is one of NYC's premiere theaters). Yes, the presentation was phenominal but part of the fun was sharing it with nearly a 1000 other people. And this was an industry screening with people who are usually blase about what they are seeing.

Take Humorem's advice and see this thing at the best venue possible - then buy the DVD (and see some concerts)!!!


Peace,

Gabe

JohnG
04-22-2002, 02:11 PM
I'm gonna pass on the cd set and get the DVD instead. Since this is a movie, the DVD should actually be the best way to experience The Last Waltz anyway.
Much cheaper too!!

JohnG

Gary
04-22-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Humorem
And if people start talking in the theatre, just shush them! Most of the time they will shut up.

Exactly! When's the last time you did not go to a concert because other people may scream, whistle, yell, etc. through a song? A movie theatre is not that bad but it's part of the Movie Experience!

And their popcorn is GREAT! ;)

Matt
04-22-2002, 04:07 PM
Oh man, what was that Simpsons episode where Otto's at some concert, he's the only one still sitting in his chair, and yells at the crowd in front of him, "Hey! Sit down! You're ruining it for everyone!"

anyway, it just cracked me up.

John Carsell
04-22-2002, 06:20 PM
I just wish I would have been at Winterland that Thanksgiving night in '76 to have witnessed the real thing.

Jeffrey
04-23-2002, 06:59 AM
Originally posted by Humorem


I saw Richard Thompson yesterday at the Whole Earth Festival, just him and his acoustic guitar, and I will certainly never forget it.
TP

Hi Tom,

Wishing I were w/ ya! Richard puts on a great show and has never received the attention he deserves.

Jeffrey

Humorem
04-23-2002, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by Gary


Exactly! When's the last time you did not go to a concert because other people may scream, whistle, yell, etc. through a song?

Except for the chick ten feet over with that tambourine--that drives me crazy! I make a fool of myself (as anyone who has gone to a concert with me will attest) by playing the air drums along with the music, trying to call attention to myself as little as possible of course, but you know how it is...
TP

Humorem
04-23-2002, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by Jeffrey


Wishing I were w/ ya! Richard puts on a great show and has never received the attention he deserves.

Jeffrey

Jeffrey (Jethro Tull wrote a song for you I understand. You should feel honored.)

So true. The Last Real Folkie. A true craftsman. I saw him open for Crowded House years ago and didn't "get" him at the time.

He joined the band for their encores and they jokingly bowed and scraped before him when he played his solos. He is the Master after all.

Both Mock Tudor and Action Packed spend a lot of time in my CD player and both sound even better on LP. Very well recorded. Buy them wherever good music is sold.

As an aside, when I saw him last year with his full band, six pieces I think, I remember the next day playing the same songs on my stereo, pretty good sized too, very loud, and came to this conclusion: I can play my stereo very loud, not concert levels but loud enough to fool you in a livingroom, but I can't make the guitar solo 20db louder on the record the way it is live. When he really tore into his solos, it was LOUD the way a piece of recorded music can never be, and that's what we get with live music, the ability to take the energy level not just to 11, but all the way to about 20 (then back to 2 or 3 at some point so we can appreciate what it means to be at 20.) I was fifteen feet from the guy. I can still picture it.

TP

Ronald
04-23-2002, 10:02 AM
TP, you are fortunate to be able to see the flick. Last Waltz has a very limited release schedule. According to amazon.com the movie won't be showing where I live.

Will it only be showing in large markets like SoCal?

Humorem
04-23-2002, 10:13 AM
Tucson isn't big enough? Ouch. I don't know why that would be.

One reason I moved from San Diego is to be where the action is. (So now I practically never leave my house in Van Nuys.) Don't have to fight the traffic thank god.

Maybe you can find some info over the net?

TP

Jimbo
04-23-2002, 11:58 AM
Here in NYC, The Last Waltz is playing in only one theater, for a limited run. Going to see it tomorrow night! :) Of course, seeing it a theater won't stop me from buying both the box set and the DVD.

pdenny
04-23-2002, 09:52 PM
Anyone else catch Roger Ebert's take on the movie?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-waltz19f.html

I've never seen the film, although I've had the LP forever. Everybody sounds pretty amped to me, but maybe I'll have to take a close look at the upcoming DVD and read between the lines!