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reechie
04-19-2004, 06:50 AM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=529&e=16&u=/ap/20040418/ap_en_mo/netherlands_rediscovered_valentino

Lost Rudolph Valentino Film Discovered
Sat Apr 17,10:52 PM ET

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A copy of Rudolph Valentino's silent film "Beyond the Rocks" has been found in the Netherlands, becoming the only known existing print of the 1922 classic, the Amsterdam Film Museum said Saturday.

The film is "basically complete and basically undamaged," said Film Museum historian Jan van den Brink.

"Beyond the Rocks," directed by Sam Wood, was the only film in which Valentino starred opposite another silent era legend, Gloria Swanson.

Van den Brink said the film was found in the estate of a film collector from the city of Haarlem. The collection came into the museum's possession four years ago.

"Because (the collector) was worried they would be stolen, he took the different reels and hid them in different warehouses," the historian told Dutch television.

"We literally had to root through 2,000 canisters to find out what exactly was in them," he said.

"Beyond the Rocks" was the 24th of Valentino's 32 films, and no negatives or prints were known to exist until now. The Italian-born movie idol died in 1926 at age 31.

The melodrama is about a woman forced to marry an older man. The woman then falls in love with Valentino's character, Lord Bracondale, on her honeymoon. In the end, the husband dies and the young lovers are united.

Scenes from the film shown on Dutch television had Valentino swimming to rescue a drowning Swanson.

Around two minutes of the film are partially damaged at the edges, but the images shown on Dutch TV were in good condition.

The 81-minute film is being restored and will be shown for the first time in 2005. The narrative text of the print is in Dutch.

Evan L
04-19-2004, 07:28 AM
Amazing that they're still finding silent films that have negatives undamaged by deterioration.

Not the biggest Valentino fan here, but I do love silent films as an artistic medium.

Evan

Tim Casey
04-20-2004, 06:56 PM
Valentino AND Swanson? I'll be on the lookout for this one....

Steve Hoffman
04-20-2004, 07:00 PM
It's amazing how many silent films were lost or destroyed when sound came in. It's like the studios couldn't wait to clear space.

But when you see a clear undamaged silent print (like any of Chaplin's stuff), carefully preserved, it's amazing that the picture quality is so darn good. Some times it just takes your breath away..

Tim Casey
04-21-2004, 05:59 AM
When sound films came in, they really did destroy the industry. everyone nowadays thinks that statements like that are just sour grapes from washed-up silent stars, but if you look at all the films that were released in 1929 and 1930 (and the sound films from 1927 and 1928), it's hard to find any memorable titles. The camera couldn't move, the actors' either spoke the queen's english ridiculously or had accents that were unlistenable.

As for the loss of so many films, we have to remember that most of them were extremely flammable and were an insurance liability. I keep telling myself that the studios were trying to do the right thing by their employees in destroying these items, though it still breaks my heart. The nail in the coffin was the fact that filmgoers in the late thirties would never go to see a silent film, making these flammable stockpiles apparently worthless.

Oh, the pain.....

stereoptic
04-21-2004, 07:14 AM
As for the loss of so many films, we have to remember that most of them were extremely flammable and were an insurance liability. ...
Oh, the pain.....

interesting

reechie
04-21-2004, 08:25 AM
But when you see a clear undamaged silent print (like any of Chaplin's stuff), carefully preserved, it's amazing that the picture quality is so darn good. Some times it just takes your breath away..

Indeed, I got to see the Kino restoration of Lang's Metropolis about a month ago in a beautiful theater with live organ accompanyment. What a thrill!
:righton:

Ken_McAlinden
04-21-2004, 01:13 PM
It's amazing how many silent films were lost or destroyed when sound came in. It's like the studios couldn't wait to clear space.

But when you see a clear undamaged silent print (like any of Chaplin's stuff), carefully preserved, it's amazing that the picture quality is so darn good. Some times it just takes your breath away..If they have good early generation elements, they can sometimes make standard-def video transfers of films that have more detail than release prints from the 20s. That's why even when they unearth a release print of a previously believed-to-be lost film of the era, it is sometimes only a shadow of what it could have been. Standards for lab work for release prints have improved considerably and then deteriorated somewhat over the subsequent 80 years. :)When sound films came in, they really did destroy the industry.I would not say "destroyed", but I would say "set-back". As you implied, all of the moving camera innovations of the late 20s certainly were abandoned for a while.

Regards,

Ken_McAlinden
04-21-2004, 01:16 PM
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=529&ncid=529&e=16&u=/ap/20040418/ap_en_mo/netherlands_rediscovered_valentino...
"Beyond the Rocks," directed by Sam Wood, ...Sam Wood, eh? I wonder what he looked like? Hmmmm?

Regards,

Jamie Tate
04-21-2004, 02:55 PM
Sam Wood, eh? I wonder what he looked like? Hmmmm?

Regards,

Here's Samo! :D

Ken_McAlinden
04-22-2004, 06:03 AM
Here's Samo! :DJamie - You do know that he's the pensive-looking fellow in my avatar as well, right? :)

Regards,

Jamie Tate
04-22-2004, 06:43 AM
Jamie - You do know that he's the pensive-looking fellow in my avatar as well, right? :)

Regards,

You know, I thought of that last night, hours after I posted. I had one of those "D'oh!" moments.

Sorry Ken. :thumbsup:

Chris R
04-27-2004, 11:05 PM
It's amazing how many silent films were lost or destroyed when sound came in. It's like the studios couldn't wait to clear space.

But when you see a clear undamaged silent print (like any of Chaplin's stuff), carefully preserved, it's amazing that the picture quality is so darn good. Some times it just takes your breath away..
I saw a restored print from France w/ French subtitles of Modern Times (http://www.calgaryfilm.com/PHP6.5/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=224) last fall that the Calgary International Film Festival (http://www.calgaryfilm.com/PHP6.5/html/). This newly restored print had debuted a few months earlier at the Cannes Film Festival 2003. Although the film was completed some nine years after the advent of 'talkies' and is quazi-silent, it was indeed breathtaking to see how well this was filmed and how clean the new print was. The recent DVD is very nice, however I would suggest that you see this on the big screen if it comes to your local art house cinema anytime soon.

Evan L
04-28-2004, 07:09 AM
Chaplin was a pioneer in film preservation, fortunately for us. All of his films are breathtaking on a big screen. And they still are funny to the modern audience: I attended a screening of "The Circus"(with a live orchestra), and the audience was in hysterics.

This is a thread crap, I know.

Evan