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David P. Hill
04-01-2004, 11:01 AM
Why was "Long Tall Sally" song left out in the Anthology and "The Beatles "First U.S. Visit"? Here is the answer. :confused: :confused:


"The Beatles In Washington, D.C." DVD:


* Roll Over Beethoven
* From Me To You
* I Saw Her Standing There
* I Wanna Be Your Man
* Please Please Me
* Till There Was You
* She Loves You
* I Want To Hold Your Hand


excerpt from http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/fabnews.htm

Update (4/1/04)
From Matt Hurwitz:


Hi, Steve--

I've got a little bit of an explanation for you regarding the missing "Long Tall Sally." As described in an article I've written for an upcoming issue of "Videography" Magazine, Brian Epstein had arranged for the show to be *videotaped* (not filmed) for future closed-circuit video screening. The taping was done by National General Cinema Corp., who hired the local CBS affiliate, the only folks at the time nearby with a mobile truck, to do the job.

Epstein had several 16mm "kinescope" transfers made, for reference. A kinescope is a device which is capable of making a transfer to film of a video image - remember, this was recorded on 2" videotape - there weren't any handy VHS cassette machines in those days. It was much easier to view a 16mm film than to arrange a video screening.

Over the years, it was one of those kinescopes which surfaced occasionally for viewing. In the early 70s, Beatles historian Ron Furmanek acquired one of those kinescopes, and, in 1989, when the re-edit of "First U.S. Visit" was taking place in Albert Maysles' studio, Ron provided that to Apple/Maysles for inclusion in the film.

The Maysles Brothers had, as Albert Maysles describes in "First U.S. Visit," snuck their camera in and filmed several songs, "She Loves You" and two others, from far up in the stands, using a zoom lens. That footage appeared in his original film, "What's Happening! The Beatles in the U.S.A." "She Loves You" was also used in the "First U.S. Visit" version, along with other footage from the kinescope.

Ron Furmanek explained to me that the reason "Long Tall Sally" has been missing all these years is very simple, though unfortunate. The concert ran just over 30 minutes. The reel of film used to make the kinescope transfer was 1200 feet - 30 minutes in length. When the reel ran out at the 30 minute mark, the outfit making the transfer assumed the program was over and didn't spool up a second reel, missing "Long Tall Sally" and the group's exit from the Coliseum.

In 1993, Ron was able to finally locate the original 2" videotape reel, which he provided to Apple, who was, at the time, assembling "The Beatles Anthology." It is that videotape footage that we see intercut in the Coliuseum "Anthology" section. Apple does now have "Long Tall Sally," though, as Ron explains, no one outside of Apple has ever really seen it. The tape was, of course, found four years after "First U.S. Visit" was re-edited, so none of that material is seen in that release (nor its recent reissue, which was not changed in any way)..

Hope that explains it. If you'd like to read more about the making of "First U.S. Visit," I'll let you know when the "Videography" article is out and the link is available for viewing.

David P. Hill
04-04-2004, 06:49 PM
excerpt from http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/fabnews.htm

Apple does now have "Long Tall Sally," though, as Ron explains, no one outside of Apple has ever really seen it.

Actually, the full (1:58) performance of Long Tall Sally, including Paul's spoken intro, had its world premiere on November 25, 1995, and was distributed to various TV stations around the world shortly thereafter. It also appeared on an EPK, as previously noted.

Attached is a capture of this clip, from a 1996 showing on French TV. Best -
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bldg blok
04-04-2004, 07:45 PM
It might seem blasphemous, but what's included of this concert in the Anthology and First US Visit is all I really need. If this performance were up to the standard and energy of the Swedish "Drop In" show, of which two songs are included in Anthology, then I'd gladly pluck down the money. But, I have to say this section of the Anthology doesn't do all that much for me. I can understand those who'll invest for historic reasons, but I'll wait for the Shea Stadium concert.

Joel Cairo
04-05-2004, 09:22 AM
"Shea" has also long been one of my favorite shows by the Fabs, but it did lessen the impact for me when I discovered that so much of it was re-created later in the studio.

-Kevin

reechie
04-05-2004, 10:41 AM
Aw, come on...you've gotta love Ringo pounding those drums into submission during the DC film.

I heard someone say earlier this year that the Washington, DC concert may be the last time we ever saw The Beatles have fun on stage.

xios
04-05-2004, 12:00 PM
I have wondered about the close circuit screening of this concert for years. I know that boxing matches were shown close circuit in theaters, but a 40th anniversary "Beatles in DC" article in the February, 2004 issue of Washingtonian magazine states that the video tape was used to make 16mm kinescopes and these were shown projected in theaters and just passed off as a closed circuit broadcast. As so many of these kinescopes have been around throughout the years (I got one for $75 from a collector in the 1980s, and my local library had one since the 1970's) I wonder what the story really is...

Joel Cairo
04-05-2004, 12:15 PM
That would make some sense, since I'm not familiar with a video projection set-up of that era that could've thrown a picture that was bright enough or large enough to fill a theater-- which is where a lot of these showings appear to have taken place.

-Kevin

R. Cat Conrad
04-05-2004, 03:33 PM
Hey guys, this isn't meant to be a thread crap, but since we have an on-going Beatles video discussion, I thought I'd better mention the New Musical Express Poll Winners Concert 1965. Has anyone besides myself purchased this great DVD set? It's from the master recording, and all performances are live (i.e., no sync), including 5 by the Beatles on disc 2; other bands performing include the Moody Blues, Donovan, the Rolling Stones, the Kinks, Freddie & the Dreamers, the Animals, etc.)? If you haven't purchased this yet, all I can tell you is that I can't recommend it enough (i.e., sound and video quality are excellent, much better than expected since this isn't an "official" release). Copies usually show up on eBay; the packaging is pretty plain, but what's inside is a real treat, IMHO.

:cheers:
Cat

RetroSmith
04-05-2004, 08:28 PM
So NIETHER DVD, the Original "First US Visit" or the re-release this year, uses the 2 inch Quad Videotape, both DVDs use the Kinescope.

Thats crappy. Cant we get a DVD made from the 2 inch, for Christ Sake??

reechie
04-06-2004, 06:56 AM
So NIETHER DVD, the Original "First US Visit" or the re-release this year, uses the 2 inch Quad Videotape, both DVDs use the Kinescope.

My theory on this is that since portions of the Maysles Brothers footage from the DC show were edited into the kinescope footage, using the video tape for First U.S. Visit would have made things look odd and choppy (ie, going from video tape to film and back again).

On the other hand, it could have just been a case of Apple not wanting to go to the trouble. Personally, adding the whole concert to the DVD as an extra would have made perfect sense.

RetroSmith
04-06-2004, 07:33 AM
Could be right Reechie. They should have added the whole concert from the 2 inch to Anthology. Another case of Apple just not caring.

reechie
04-06-2004, 07:35 AM
Could also be a case of Apple saying "Why give it away as a bonus, when we could sell it as a separate DVD?" That wouldn't be so bad, but the "separate DVD" never seems to materialize.

RetroSmith
04-06-2004, 07:38 AM
Exactly, thats their thinking.