New Roger Waters best-of...import only

[Kym]

Attention Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fans - in case you don't know, Roger Waters has just released an import-only best-of called Flickering Flame - The Solo Years Volume I in conjunction with his current world tour. It appears this CD will only be available in the areas that his tour covers.

I first found out about this at Waters'swebsite (http://www.roger-waters.com). I immediately ordered my copy from the HMV Australia website (http://hmv.com.au).

Here's the tracklisting. All the songs segue into one another, a la Echoes.

1. Knockin' On Heaven's Door
2. Too Much Rope
3. The Tide Is Turning
4. Perfect Sense Part I & II (live)
5. Three Wishes
6. 5:06 am (Every Stranger's Eyes)
7. Who Needs Information
8. Each Small Candle (live)
9. Flickering Flame (new demo)
10. Towers Of Faith
11. Radio Waves
12. Lost Boys Calling (original demo)

[floyd]

Thanks KYM for the info. I saw it on ebay and thought it was some fan based cdr thing so I left it. It's good to hear it is the real deal. I picked up "The Final Cut Demos" the other day a Bootleg it was a bit of a let down (but my expectations were very high) a few lyric changes sound was not great but ok basicly the album as you know it in raw form.
I think "The Final Cut" would be one of my top picks for a album for Steve Hoffman to do. I thought the album was fantastic I remember Rolling Stone gave it their highest rating when it came out but it does not get much notice now as one of their best, Gilmour slams it whenever he can.
What do you think of "The Final Cut" or Pink Floyd for that matter Steve? There been no DCC work with them but there could be many reasons for that. Would you be interested in any PF remastering jobs??

[Claviusb]

Thanls for the heads up, Kym!

[KLM]

Floyd,
I tpp really enjoy the Final Cut lp. I'm afraid a lot of people don't share our view as I understand it was more of a Roger Water's project with Pink Floyd as the backup band. That's probably why Gilmour is not a big fan of the album. I'm sure the Waters/Gilmour Pinki Floyd was already dying prior to this album and the sour collaboration on the Final Cut was simply the nails in the coffin.

Anyway, while it's not my absolute favorite Floyd lp, I do like the songs and music on it quite a bit. And lastly, like a lot of their catalog, this album could really shine with Steve's remastering. I do have a japanese issue lp that sounds very good though.

Cheers

[mikenyc]

A great bootleg to trackdown is his home demo's for "The Wall"...complete.

[Kym]

The Final Cut is one of my favorite Floyd albums, but I only listen to it like once every two or three years. It's such a downer of an album, but it's very well done.

[btomarra]

Cdnow and cduniverse both show it listed but as of April 30. Cduniverse shows it as backordered. Definitely has got my attention. Roger was the genius behind Pink Floyd.

Brian

:)

[Patrick M]

Originally posted by Kym in Hawaii
The Final Cut is one of my favorite Floyd albums, but I only listen to it like once every two or three years. It's such a downer of an album, but it's very well done.

No kidding. It makes "The Wall" seem like "Shiny Happy People." That album is so heavy I can only listen to it on rare occasions.

[Patrick M]

Originally posted by btomarra
Roger was the genius behind Pink Floyd.

Whoa! I don't know about that. The first album is almost all Syd, for starters. For the whole Roger-Dave era, I don't think there's any way you can discount Gilmour's importance. I can't imagine PF (post-Syd) without either of them.

Now, post-Waters, I don't consider the "band" to be "Pink Floyd."

[Rspaight]

Whoa! I don't know about that. The first album is almost all Syd, for starters. For the whole Roger-Dave era, I don't think there's any way you can discount Gilmour's importance. I can't imagine PF (post-Syd) without either of them.

Exactly. As with most good bands, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

For me (and I know this is a minority view), Waters solo (especially Amused to Death) is just as unlistenable as Momentary Lapse. In Floyd, Waters' stuff was brought down to earth with accessible arrangements and Gilmour's musicianship. His solo albums are huge batches of semi-coherent ideas in search of songs to express themselves through, with an occasional guitar solo. Momentary Lapse featured slick and engaging music with nothing inside. (Division Bell, though, I liked -- Gilmour seemed to have something to say on that one.)

Ryan

[btomarra]

Patrick,

Maybe I should clariy. I meant post Syd Pink Floyd. True, both are important but Roger was interviewed in a VH-1 Legend special that he and Dave came to heads over how Wish You Were Here should come together and Roger said luckily he won out. We have the finished album as a result. After Roger left and Dave took over you can see that the quality suffered. A friend of mine read an article somewhere that when Gilmour was making an post Waters PF album (not sure if it was Momentary Lapse or Divison Bell) he was told to make it more Roger Waterish.

So, I do agree with you but Waters had a dominant impact on the group from Wish You Were Here to The Final Cut.

Brian


:)

[floyd]

"the final cut" isn't one of those albums you put on often even though it is one of my favorites I dont know when the last time I listened to it. It is a sonic treat I remember it was recorded with something called holophonics (however you spell it) from Zuccerelli? Labs (spelling again) the effects can be amazing sometimes things seemed to come from odd points in the room, like behind you. You had to be posistioned correctly of the best effect but it was cool. they say you couldn't rerecord the effect so if you taped the album the effect woulnt happen.
Anyway although I cant classify it either as my favorite PF album I thought it would be my first choice for Steve Hoffman to do the other PF stuff is pretty good sounding although I too would welcome anything Steve could do with the catalog (I'm pretty much a Pink Floyd fan I like all the albums, Waters' era the best!)

As for the the Waters solo years the link that Kym gave to the Australlia site will get you the cd in the US with postage for around $18.50 US. I said why wait. Thanks again KYM

[Kym]

Oh dear. I hope this thread doesn't turn into another Waters vs. Gilmour debate, if it hasn't already! :eek: :)

It's obvious that Waters was the concept and ideas behind Floyd Mk II and Gilmour was the music. Without each other, they flounder.

Waters's stuff is hard to swallow without decent tunes; as good as his lyrics are, they do get repetitive. I notice he likes to (and he's admitted this) use the "list" method of writing lyrics ("all that you touch, and all that you see"..."In truck stops, and hamburger joints..." etc.) which gets annoying quickly. And why does he have to use some unpolitically correct racial slur on almost every album? ("nips" on The Final Cut, "my yellow rose" on Amused to Death, and now "coloured girl" in "Flickering Flame") AND he's got to sneak in the f-word at least once somewhere...

Then there's Gilmour. I think this guy's just tired. The Division Bell didn't really have anything original; many songs echoed previous Floyd glories. And he's got a formula, too, just like Waters - verse chorus verse chorus long guitar solo. Nothing wrong with that, but that's not what Wish You Were Here and Meddle are known for. And why did he have to seek others to help out with lyrics? His self-penned lyrics on his two solo albums were considerably better than anything he's done since.

Ah, I don't know - I'm just venting. It'd be nice to see Waters and Gilmour work together again, but that's highly unlikely. Perhaps Waters was right - Floyd is a spent force creatively. Their time has passed. They should just let sleeping dogs lie. And it appears Gilmour is in that frame of mind lately. Anybody read that recent Rolling Stone article on Waters? It looks like he's mending fences with Nick Mason. I was very happy to hear that.

[Patrick M]

Originally posted by Kym in Hawaii
Then there's Gilmour. I think this guy's just tired. The Division Bell didn't really have anything original; many songs echoed previous Floyd glories.

That is exactly what I said about Division Bell when I heard it. (I taped the world premiere radio show, so I guess I heard it pretty early.) There were all these bits and pieces that sounded like they were lifted right off the old albums. In fact, I almost wrote a paper about it for a music class.

[Patrick M]

Originally posted by btomarra
True, both are important but Roger was interviewed in a VH-1 Legend special that he and Dave came to heads over how Wish You Were Here should come together and Roger said luckily he won out. We have the finished album as a result.
I would be curious to know what Dave's vision for that album was, and how he and Roger differed. My guess is that the end product is a compromise, and the album is stronger for the contribution of each.

I'm with KYM and Ryan here...either guy, without the other one, flounders. PF was a whole greater than the sum of their parts. By that, of course, I really mean Roger and Dave. The other two, IMO, could have been replaced. Wasn't Wright AWOL for the recording of the Wall anyway?

I think Waters and Gilmour are just another example of two people who ultimately needed each other to do their best work, and made great music while they were at each other's throats.

After Roger left and Dave took over you can see that the quality suffered.
Again, I don't even think of the Gilmour and the 85 studio musicians he brought in for "Momentary Lapse of Reason" as "Pink Floyd." Also, you could argue that none of Waters' solo material is up to PF standards.

[btomarra]

Thanks Patrick. No debates here.

I love Pink Floyd before Waters left. I love Syd's work. Piper is such a great album. I greatly respect your views here and appreciate them.

And you're right. I think Wright was out of the picture by The Wall's end.

I too don't think it's Pink Floyd without Dave and Roger. And yes, Roger's solo work has suffered too.

Thanks for your input here!

Brian

:D

[Beagle]

It was a similar situation with 10cc, when it divided into Godley/Creme and the Stewart/Gouldman version of 10cc (5cc?). One was totally non-commercial and the other turned into a jingle factory. The post-Waters Floyd lack the Waters creativity input but the musicianship and production are top notch. But one is somewhat lame without the other.