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Grant
03-12-2002, 12:18 PM
I just read that Rhino Records just got the Chicago Records Group. They are going to remaster the Chicago albums and release several comps, although no release dates have been set.
Perhaps someone could persuade Mr. Inglot to take a more conservative approach to remastering the tapes.
What i'm wondering is if Rhino got the ownership of the masters or just the rights.
Uh, Mr. Sandoval?
O M G.
Screechy Horns? Yeeech!
I should look at the bright side: It won't be ****ilated.
Still...... :(
Grant
03-12-2002, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Gary
O M G.
Screechy Horns? Yeeech!
I should look at the bright side: It won't be ****ilated.
Still...... :(
Let's give Inglot another chance!:)
At least they didn't bring in Jon Astley!:D
I will keep my fingers crossed. I love their music but hate the CD's for the most part. Dull, lifeless and compressed and those are the good ones. I had hoped for better things when they took control of their own catalog but the couple of Chicago Records issues that I bought sounded just as bad as the original Columbia stuff so I gave up and still listen to the old vinyl versions.
Sckott
03-12-2002, 01:06 PM
Guercio, is he still around?
Nah, folks. Count on 24-bit re-mapped garbage-like mastering just to be like the rest. I believe Guercio mastered the Cds out right now.
Bob Lovely
03-12-2002, 01:06 PM
All,
From my listening expeience Bill Inglot does a very good job re-mastering stereo mixes from about the late 60's on. I would think that he will re-master the Chicago catalog very well. Certainly, his work will be better than some of the poorly done work on the Chicago catalog that is out there, sitting, in the racks. If I have any beef with his re-mastering, it is when he re-masters Mono single mixes to sound like the original 45 rpm singles. I believe, in the case of Mono single mixes, that Inglot re-masters them true, in his mind, to their original format. However, in the case of Stereo mixes, he does not appear to employ this practice--hence my optimism for the Chicago catalog!
Bob
Grant
03-12-2002, 01:07 PM
I like the sound of the box set, although some people didn't like the bassiness of it. I suspect that the tapes are bassy, which is a good thing for their music, IMO. Peter Cetera may be a lot of things but I always liked his bass playing. Like the horns, the bass is an essential part of their sound.
Grant
03-12-2002, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Sckott
Guercio, is he still around?
Nah, folks. Count on 24-bit re-mapped garbage-like mastering just to be like the rest. I believe Guercio mastered the Cds out right now.
The CDs out right now are the same as they have always been, mastered by some CBS staff flunkie in the 80s.
Grant
03-12-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Bob Lovely
All,
From my listening expeience Bill Inglot does a very good job re-mastering stereo mixes from about the late 60's on. I would think that he will re-master the Chicago catalog very well. Certainly, his work will be better than some of the poorly done work on the Chicago catalog that is out there, sitting, in the racks. If I have any beef with his re-mastering, it is when he re-masters Mono single mixes to sound like the original 45 rpm singles. I believe, in the case of Mono single mixes, that Inglot re-masters them true, in his mind, to their original format. However, in the case of Stereo mixes, he does not appear to employ this practice--hence my optimism for the Chicago catalog!
Bob
For the record, I like the way he masters 60s mono singles. And, I am impressed by his handling of the WB/Elektra catalog.
I just want to hear Chicago as Guercio intended.
Bob Lovely
03-12-2002, 01:13 PM
All,
I have always enjoyed the re-mastering on the MoFi CTA album.
How does everyone else feel?
Bob
Bob Lovely
03-12-2002, 01:18 PM
Grant,
I will be very curious as what Bill Inglot will do with Chicago's second album. The sound has always sounded so thin, muffled and lifeless--like it was recorded that way.
Bob
Grant
03-12-2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by Bob Lovely
Grant,
I will be very curious as what Bill Inglot will do with Chicago's second album. The sound has always sounded so thin, muffled and lifeless--like it was recorded that way.
Bob
It was.:(
romanotrax
03-12-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by Grant
The CDs out right now are the same as they have always been, mastered by some CBS staff flunkie in the 80s.
Actually the cds that are out right now were mastered by Joe Gastwirt as CMS Digital. I would expect better but maybe they are as good as they could be given the masters he had to work with.
buster193
03-12-2002, 03:12 PM
a few years back i had a canadian made compilation.....smooth,very warm.....made the mistake of selling it off. don`t recall the title..except the title depitated a brown leather textured book.
Originally posted by romanotrax
Actually the cds that are out right now were mastered by Joe Gastwirt as CMS Digital. I would expect better but maybe they are as good as they could be given the masters he had to work with.
I remember someone here (AudioGirl?) saying that Hot Streets was "corrected" or something?
The Chicago Records release of Chicago Presents the Innovative Guitar of Terry Kath from 1996 sounds considerably better than anything else out there. I believe this was addressed in the CD Watchdog column of ICE magazine; a spokesman for Chicago Records claimed it wasn't remastered at all.
???
HeavyDistortion
03-12-2002, 09:23 PM
I also have the Terry Kath compilation CD, and agree that it sounds just fine. It is also a great reminder of what an excellent and versatile guitarist that Mr. Kath was.
JohnnyK
03-13-2002, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by Bob Lovely
Grant,
I will be very curious as what Bill Inglot will do with Chicago's second album. The sound has always sounded so thin, muffled and lifeless--like it was recorded that way.
Bob
I have an LP of Chicago's second album that I bought in the late 60's. You are correct, it sounds very compressed and lifeless. In fact, I always thought that the Blood, Sweat and Tears LP's sounded better than the Chicago LP's. More open, better sounding brass, better dymanics. Strange since they both were Columbia artists.
Ronflugelguy
03-13-2002, 07:17 AM
Everything after CTA on vinyl, sounds pretty bad,including the second album especially(very compressed).:mad:
Sckott
03-13-2002, 07:28 AM
Steve covered this before, and I was suprised to know he knew; Most of Chicago II was recorded out of phase. I'd think it was a lot like albums like "Ram" (Macca) which was, I believe, also recorded out of phase in parts. Something you can't mess with.
There's no way to correct it from the master tape, because you can't seperate the channels unless you remix from the multi.
A lot of Chicago's albums sound VERY good. Chicago II is damaged goods, no matter HOW you listen to it. I have a very early pressing on LP, listened a lot to the Cd. Same thing; very wiggy.
JohnnyK
03-13-2002, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by Sckott
Steve covered this before, and I was suprised to know he knew; Most of Chicago II was recorded out of phase. Chicago II is damaged goods, no matter HOW you listen to it. I have a very early pressing on LP, listened a lot to the Cd. Same thing; very wiggy.
That's too bad. Chicago II has some really great songs, very representative of what was going on in the late 60's.
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