DSOTM Stampers

[Humorem]

There are now at least two posts with the correct metal mother numbers. When I said earlier there were no cigars yet I was mistaken. Some of you may be the owners of the same record I think is hot.

However, the stampers may be different. They are the numbers that are not hand written, but stamped, such as 111, 231, etc. after the A?/ B/? number.

To determine if we have a real "winner", please make sure that you have included the stamper numbers as well as the mother numbers.

Of course, no one is winning anything at all. I suspect that some of you may have the real thing, and if anybody does I will say that somebody does, which limits the pool of stampers to search for.

But this does not mean your copy does not sound better than mine! I can only comment about the copies I've heard, and I may never have heard yours.

The good one has lots of deep bass throughout, the voices on Breathe are not muffled like other copies, and the clocks on Time just jump out of the speakers clear as a bell. I just played my copy and all those qualities were there. If your copy does those things, great! Maybe there are MANY hot copies. The other pressings I had in stock did not sound like that. But I didn't note the numbers on those copies, so I can't tell you what to avoid, sorry.

And you may have the right side one and the wrong side two or vice versa.

So that's where it stands at the moment. You can repost the numbers on this thread if you like in order to keep them all together. Or use the other thread if it's easier.

TP

[Paul Chang]

MFSL 1-017-A102-1 SR/2 H213
MFSL 1-017-B3 SR/2 H287

I couldn't find the "scratch" button so am using the underline instead. I'm not sure the scratched number is a "10".

So where is my cigar, Tom? :D Not even half a cigar? :(

[Beagle]

Mine is B2-1 (214), A2-1 (212)

[Gary]

OK, lets see if I can get this right!

Side one:
Metal Mother Number (hand written):
MFSL 1 017 A (scratch) 2-1
Stamper:
213 (the 3 is very faint)

Side two:
Metal Mother Number (hand written):
MFSL 1 017 (scratch) B 2-1
Stamper:
21? (could be a 4)

Now the true test: Playing the sucker! Glad I finally got my speakers back togeather! And the new interconnects sound promising, too!

Thanks for the comments on the sound, Tom!

[Gary]

BTW, can someone explain the process between metal mothers and stampers? Are stampers made from the MM and for some reason they are all NOT the same?

Or is it the machine that presses it that makes it all the difference??

Or something else?

And how in the world can one have a "hot" side one without a "hot" side two? Are they fooling around in that pressing plant?


........ this is fascinating, man!.........

[Henry Love]

Side 1 MSFL-1-017-A?2-1 SR2 214?? Side 2 MSFL-1-017-?B2-1 SR2 214? Don't know if this the great one but I always liked it. The bells really stand out.

[Todd Fredericks]

SIDE ONE: MFSL-1-017 A 1 (the 1 is scratched out)-2-2 (the second 2 is scratched out ), beneath is SP (w/line/2 under) and faintly towards the outter rim is H22 *** AC

SIDE TWO: MFSL-1-017 B A (the A is scratched out)-2, beneath is SP (w/line/2 under) and faintly towards the outter rim is H292 *

[Paul Chang]

Originally posted by Gary
BTW, can someone explain the process between metal mothers and stampers? Are stampers made from the MM and for some reason they are all NOT the same?

Or is it the machine that presses it that makes it all the difference??

Or something else?

And how in the world can one have a "hot" side one without a "hot" side two? Are they fooling around in that pressing plant?


........ this is fascinating, man!......... Gary,

Here is a simplified quick overview.

Master Tape --[mastering console/cutting lathe]-->
N Lacquer (+) --[silver plating]--> N Silvered Lacquer (+) --[nickel plating]-->
N Master/Metal Part (-) --[nickel plating]-->
N*X Mothers (+) --[nickel plating]-->
N*X*Y Stampers (-) --[record press]-->
N*X*Y*Z Records (+)

This is the three-step process (from lacquer to stamper). In each cutting cycle, usually N = 1, sometimes N = 2 (two cutting lathes working in parallel).

You can made Y (> 1) stampers from each mother. Stampers are not replaced in pairs (I guess) because one side may wear out faster than the other. That's why you can have two records differ only by one side, as far as stamper/mother numbers are concerned. I don't known if there are statics on whether the top of the bottom stamper wears out/breaks (ever?) first.

In the one-step process. The master (metal part) is used as the stamper. This is only good for very limited productions because you can make only one master out of each lacquer. Water Lily made some records with this process. But the three-step version of the same titles were also available.

In the direct disc process, which was made famous by Sheffield Lab, the cutting session is the recoding session, i.e. live. Tapes are only used for back-up. Ironically, Sheffield Lab's last vinyl titles, including The Moscow Sessions, were cut from master tapes. Rumor has it that the dynamic range of the live concert in Moscow overwhelmed the cutting chain so it was not successfully captured on the lacquers.

In the direct metal mastering (DMM) process, which many audiophiles loathe so much, a brass metal mother, in place of a lacquer, is cut. Groves can be cut denser so the lead-out area (dead wax) is wider. Reissues with same amounts of music are cut in the outer groves to avoid inner grove distortion. A DMM record (two sides in total of course) can rival the CD on playing time if the mastering engineer chooses to. Imagining cutting metal masters puts in my head the screech of fingernails across a blackboard.

[count.d]

Side one: MFSL - 1 - 017 - A#2-1 H213

Side two: MFSL - 1 - 017 - #B2-1 H214

Where # is scratched out numbers.

Both sides also have SR/2

[enjoythemusic]

Paul,

Great post! Have complete details of what Classic Records does (with photos) at:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/manufacture/classicrecords.htm .



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[Humorem]

All right, fellow Floydians:

Read all the posts, especially mine above.

Now get ready.

Wait for it.

OK. You shamed me into it. The man with the white label test had the hot metal mother numbers, which should get you in the ballpark, if not circling the bases with the crowd cheering.

A 2-1 MOTHER, 215 STAMPER
B 2-5 MOTHER, 251 STAMPER

Now leave me alone! I mean, good hunting!

TP

[McIntosh]

COOL !! Glad to hear it - I never posted how good I thought it sounded cuz I didn't want to start a flameout !!!!!