Dave Brubeck - Time Out

[ED in NY]

I've been mulling over the idea for some time now of getting this on CD, however before purchasing this I was curious for any opinions on which is the best version (or should I say your favorite version) to get: The Mastersound Gold Disc, The current remaster or the Japanese DSD Mastersound import. I look forward to any opinions the good members here have on this jazz classic.

Thanks All ! -ED

[Dan]

I don't have anything else to compare it to, but the normal Sony/Legacy remaster is in HDCD. That sounds pretty good.

[JohnnyK]

Originally posted by Dan
I don't have anything else to compare it to, but the normal Sony/Legacy remaster is in HDCD. That sounds pretty good.

I agree, the Sony/Legacy remaster is very good.

[ArneW]

Hi,

I do have the original (how did they call the series with the blue framed cover?) CBS mid-price CD as well as the first long-box SBM Mastersound edition. The problem is that my early 1970s U.S. LP absolutely smokes either of them. I don't know why, but at least for me this is the rare case where even so-called "audiophile" CD releases sound nothing like a decent LP pressing, and that includes the much praised SACD release.

Arne

[PsychFan]

I have the most recent Sony remastered CD, and I agree it's rather good (especially for the price ... my local shop carries it for $8.99), if a little bright.

But I also agree with Arne ... If you have a turntable, a good LP is the way to go. They seem to be fairly common; I landed an original stereo 6-eye as well as a slightly later mono 2-eye, and both are near mint (and cost me under $15, combined). Both are wonderful.

I've heard good things from a friend who has the (first) Classic Records LP reissue too, but I love my Columbias.

[Ronald]

For a limited time, if one orders the latest Quiex re-press of "Time Out" from Classic Records, they will throw in the first non-Quiex version, now out of print, for $20.00 .

The problem is that one has to enter a code on the order form and the code is sent out to update subscribers only. If there is anyone here willing to share the code, please do so.

[ArneW]

I'd love the Classic Records version, but the more than prohibitive price in Germany has kept me from buying it :(

Beat me if you will, but "Time Further Out" has been spinning MUCH more often on my turntable. I think it is the better record both artistically and sonically. But if Steve ever asks which Brubeck album to remaster, I'll vote for "Anything Goes! The Dave Brubeck Quartet Plays Cole Porter".

Arne

[Todd Fredericks]

I got the e-mail from Classic Records about the 'Time Out' offer and I thought it was rather strange. I have their first version of 'Time Out' (which I enjoy) but why would I want or need the other? (or vice-versa if doing this offer). I might consider doing something like that if one were the mono version but why would I want the same Classic's version (on two almost identical pressings)? I think the only difference I read about the two is their new vinyl formulation (which is really down to RTI) and the more "authentic" DJ. I'd rather spend my hard stolen money on other titles...

Todd

[PsychFan]

I felt the same way, Todd. A truly bizarre offer.

Regarding Time Further Out, again I agree with Arne. I just picked up a mono copy of this one a few weeks ago, and it's great stuff. Not that I'll never listen to Time Out again, but ... I look forward to checking out other Brubeck titles. (There seem to be loads of his LPs available everywhere for a song ...)

[ArneW]

Jeff,

don't let the «psychedelic» cover misguide you - "Time In" is also veeery good! :)

Arne

[Todd Fredericks]

"Time In" is great! I also really enjoy "Bravo! Brubeck!".

Todd

[Sckott]

The Sony/Japan DSD for CD is highly recommended. I got mine while it was sold in the LP replica sleeve. It actually does sound better than the normal HDCD/US remastered Cd now out. (MHO)

The Classic Records reissue on 45RPM is definitive for sound on vinyl (wow), but the 2 sided 33.3 Classic Records is also very smooth, very dynamic, impressive.

The other favorite Brubecks I've been lucky to scoff is:

"Dave Brubeck Goes To College". I got this for a buck at a yard sale, looked VG+ with a pre-eye Columbia label. The vinyl felt like shellac. Too bad it skipped in one song, locking the groove. I loved this album! Great performances, and the sonics on this relic were impressive.

"Time Further Out" - Was able to get this one as another JPN/LP replica. Agreed with everyone else in the room. Another Brubeck triumph.

[Chip Stylus]

Originally posted by ArneW

Beat me if you will, but "Time Further Out" has been spinning MUCH more often on my turntable. I think it is the better record both artistically and sonically. But if Steve ever asks which Brubeck album to remaster, I'll vote for "Anything Goes! The Dave Brubeck Quartet Plays Cole Porter".

Arne

I have both of these as original stereo pressings and they are really great, the Cole Porter also has the leg on the cover so it's pretty easy on the eyes too (laughing)

I have a mono vinyl of "Time Out" and you have to hear it THIS way to get how fantastically the drums are recorded. DESERT ISLAND VINYL as far as I am concerned. Paid a buck for each of these at Goodwill.

[Evan L]

Yeah, I bought a mint condition mono copy for $5, and while I do not think that it smokes the HDCD version, it does sound wonderful. There must be a lot of these around, as I see it fairly cheaply, while a mint mon KIND OF BLUE is usually $40 or so. Also have a mono "Time Further Out", and this rules as well. The late '50's-60's Brubeck Quartet was SUCH a good band!

[Sckott]

I keep finding old mono Columbias, 33.3RPM made from shellac. Even those sound killer. Just got Dave Brubeck at Newport. Great for a live recording in the 50's....

[Steve Hoffman]

Not from shellac, Sckott. That would be the 78 RPM era.

[lukpac]

Originally posted by thomoz
I have a mono vinyl of "Time Out" and you have to hear it THIS way to get how fantastically the drums are recorded. DESERT ISLAND VINYL as far as I am concerned. Paid a buck for each of these at Goodwill.

I've never heard one myself, but I've been told the mono was done live to a 30 IPS tape, while the stereo was obviously done on 3-track 15 IPS. Anyone know anything about the mono?

[Sckott]

I thought so too. It's definately a different compound. Feels heavy and metallic. Fragile too.... Maybe it's not shellac, but it's something primitive.

[Todd Fredericks]

I think I know what you're talking about Sckott. Are you talking about the pre-6 eye Columbia pressings? I have a few that fit that description.

Todd

[Steve Hoffman]

It Bakelite. Decca used it too for a while (cheaper than Polyvinyl):

http://www.modelatrader.com/maffi/maffibakelite.html

[Tullman]

The Sony Master Sound vinyl of Time out was pretty good as well.

Another title that I like is Gone with the Wind. The drum solo on shortnin bread is really cool.

[Sckott]

Todd, Steve... Yes, I totally forgot about Bakelite. Weird stuff! Yes, I have two that are pre-6eye. One, Brubeck Goes To College is in playable shape, but there's pit-shaped nicks in the vinyl about the shape of a pin... Odd but common damage to a fragile surface. Vinyl rarely does that.

Thanks, all....!

The SACD of "Time Out" just barely beats the pants off of the Classic Records 45RPM, IMHO, FYI.....

[Dan C]

As others have said, this title's everywhere. I have a NM 6-eye stereo and mono, and a VG+ 2-eye. I didn't pay more than $10 for any of them.

All sound wonderful, I have no desire to shell out over $25 for the Classic.

Another cool Brubeck title I own on a 2-eye stereo is "Countdown: Time In Outer Space". http://www.abbess.demon.co.uk/brubeck/pix/covers/Countdown.jpg
Great stuff!
Dan C

[MMM]

I don't know how true this is, but I understand that the Quiex Classic LP is a different mastering of "Time Out" (and also the new Quiex "Kind of Blue") and is mastered by someone other than Bernie and that they don't sound as good as the previous 33 1/3 editions. Maybe someone else knows more? Hopefully this isn't true

I've heard the Classic 12" 45's of "Time Out", but I really like my original Classic 33 1/3 copy.

MMM

[Mike V]

Originally posted by Todd Fredericks
I think the only difference I read about the two is their new vinyl formulation (which is really down to RTI) and the more "authentic" DJ. I'd rather spend my hard stolen money on other titles...

Todd

Don't believe what Classic tells you. They claimed the vinyl is what gives better detail, but as an example, I think they punched up the high-end on their re-reissue of Kind Of Blue. Very very sizzly hot on the top end. Classic presses their fair share of winners, but I have not been impressed by these new re-releases of stuff they've already done. I can't speak specifically for Time Out though.