Sacd Owners

[Grant]

Hey guys (and audiogirl), I don't really care exactly why you don't like Michael Jackson music. What has me going is all the assuming that only a certain type of listener owns SACD and what they buy.

The players are dirt cheap and the discs aren't much more than regular CD, so you have to expect more people of all stripes getting a player, especially if mixed with DVD. When the other majors start offering titles you have to expect pop titles over classical and to a lesser extent, jazz being the predominant genre. You will see Boys II Men and Green Day in SACD. This is what we all wanted to happen. We wanted SACD (some DVD-A) to replace the 16-bit/44.1 CD.

I just want to see some demographics of owners.

[Beagle]

Originally posted by Grant
The players are dirt cheap and the discs aren't much more than regular CDOh really? Not where I live they ain't.

At this point we have to buy whatever Sony and the others decide to do in SACD. You will see Boys II Men and Green Day in SACD. This is what we all wanted to happenIt is?

[Dave]

Same as Beagle here as well.

Up here it's extremely hard to even find a place that sells an SACD player yet.:rolleyes:

[BradOlson]

You can't find SACD or DVD-A anywhere up here either.

[Grant]

Well, I guess life is different up in Canada and near the Canadian border.

Down here, you can get a basic Sony SACD player for $299. Sony SACD/DVD combo players are just $100 more. More makes and models are out in March. Universal has announced many SACD titles in March as well. I can find SACD discs in retailers like Borders, Best Buy, Hastings, and Circuit city. I don't see any high-end players but the Sony models are everywhere.

No, YOU may not have wanted Green Day and Boys II Men in SACD, but that is where the money is, and titles like those, and oldies, is what will carry SACD to the success we all want. Think of what rap artists like Public Enemy could do with 5.1 remixing of their sound! Think of what SACD (and DVD-A) could do for night clubs!!! If you think those car boomers are bad, just wait until you hear the Beastie Boys in surround sound, with levels maximized!:eek:

We are going to see car players too!

What? You think you can keep SACD exclusive for a certain crowd and still have it successful?

The same thing happened with the CD. Many thought only classical listeners would have any use for it. We know the rest.

The upshot, It just may turn a new generation on to hi-resolution sound and away from those horrible mp3s.:eek:

[Beagle]

Originally posted by Grant
No, YOU may not have wanted Green Day and Boys II Men in SACD, but that is where the money is, and titles like those, and oldies, is what will carry SACD to the success we all wantI don't think fans of those, uh, "bands" care a rats *** about sound, nor would they pay extra bucks for an SACD version when they are probably downloading it for free already. IT would be nice, yes, if everything was available at a good price, but somehow I don't think it's gonna happen, at least not until Sony issues hybrid discs of everything and the masses indicate they care about sound quality.

[Brad Robinson]

I bought my first entry level SACD player a month ago. I ordered it for 400 Canadian. I listen to old country, rock, pop, jazz....
I live in a small city in New Brunswick and I am probably the only person in town with a SACD player. Thanks to the 'net I easily ordered my player and have some SACD's on the way from futureshop.ca and absound.ca.
Brad

[Paul L.]

buy.com has the Sony DVP-NS500V for $219.99 with free shipping. I don't know if they ship to Canada or not, and maybe there's a duty as well. Anyway, that's an amazing price and this is no slouch of a player (also is a DVD-video player).

[AudioGirl]

Grant... Since you thought to include me specifically... :D

I do have an SACD player... Although, at the time I got mine, I assure you it was not "dirt cheep"... I enjoy SACD's but also my regular CD's and golds sound better on it too, so I find it well worth the investment.

My guess is that the prices most certainly have come down considerably since then. Here in LA it is no stretch to find dealers, even the big box stops, that carry SACD players.

[AudioGirl]

Originally posted by Paul L.
buy.com has the Sony DVP-NS500V for $219.99 with free shipping. I don't know if they ship to Canada or not, and maybe there's a duty as well. Anyway, that's an amazing price and this is no slouch of a player (also is a DVD-video player).

THAT'S A GREAT DEAL!!

Go for it you guys!! :D

[Dan]

In all fairness they also have a Toshiba DVD-Audio capable player with progressive scan for $239.

[JohnT]

What has me going is all the assuming that only a certain type of listener owns SACD and what they buy

I think it does take a commitment at this time, but my experience says it is worth it.

By commitment, I mean bass and cable management. I've incorporated the RP-91 & C555ES into my system, and it is not a process for regular people.

[Grant]

Originally posted by JohnT



By commitment, I mean bass and cable management. I've incorporated the RP-91 & C555ES into my system, and it is not a process for regular people.

While it's not part of the topic, bass management for SACD????

[Holy Zoo]

At this point we have to buy whatever Sony and the others decide to do in SACD.
Well now, you don't have to. :)


Grant wrote:
You will see Boys II Men and Green Day in SACD. This is what we all wanted to happen


the Bealge wrote:
It is?

Well, *I* do. I think the reality here is that you need the popular stuff out there, or the format just won't "stick".

HZ

p.s. I like Green Day. It's plain fun pop music. :)

[Grant]

Originally posted by Holy Zoo

Well, *I* do. I think the reality here is that you need the popular stuff out there, or the format just won't "stick".

HZ

p.s. I like Green Day. It's plain fun pop music. :)

That is my point exactly. Get ready to hear Britany singing while walking in circles around you.:D

[Steve w]

SACD and DVD-A are easy to find in San Diego

[Mike]

Originally posted by Beagle
I don't think fans of those, uh, "bands" care a rats *** about sound, nor would they pay extra bucks for an SACD version when they are probably downloading it for free already.

I beg to differ. I'd rather hear a catchy 3 minute pop song on SACD than endless guitar noodling. And I'll have my player soon. :)

[Grant]

Originally posted by Mike


I beg to differ. I'd rather hear a catchy 3 minute pop song on SACD than endless guitar noodling. And I'll have my player soon. :)

Me too! Why does pop music have such a bad name? There's nothing wrong with commercial music, folks! There's good and bad in everything. Don't take a few examples of a few producer-assembled teens doing programmed pop and call all of it bad. The beloved Beatles were pop. They liked getting hit records till the end and beyond.

[jligon]

If these $200 bargain players are anything like Sony's other (reverse engineered) products, I don't know too many audiophiles who will be satisfied with them.
I can't believe that all SACD players are equal. I don't think anyone is suggesting that.
For $200 however, you can't even get a decent CD player. I'd hate to see the construction of such an SACD player. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd bet they weigh about 5 ounces.

[BradOlson]

Lots of the music I have is commercial pop music. BTW, Cliff Richard has lots of great commercial pop music, thanks Steve for mastering his later years for Razor & Tie and I know the research department along with you did great research to find great tapes.

[Grant]

Originally posted by jligon
If these $200 bargain players are anything like Sony's other (reverse engineered) products, I don't know too many audiophiles who will be satisfied with them.
I can't believe that all SACD players are equal. I don't think anyone is suggesting that.
For $200 however, you can't even get a decent CD player. I'd hate to see the construction of such an SACD player. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd bet they weigh about 5 ounces.

Most say that the sound is better than regular CD players costing a bit more. And, yes, they do weigh about five ounces!

SACD, not just for audiophiles! You want it to succeed? It's gotta appeal to the masses, baby!

[Gary]

Originally posted by jligon
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd bet they weigh about 5 ounces.

Well there is one Sony SACD player that I almost damaged at the Sony Store. I lifted it and almost banged the top against the next shelf up. It weighed 11 pounds, if I remember correctly.

Maybe a SACD player like this could be a DIY project (pour cement in it to remove jitter or something like that presuming there is any room?!?). After all where is the weight in a Krell player? Metal construction? Heavy base?

I'd think that the wiring and electronics would not be much of a significant contributor to the weight?

Just a thought.......... or two!

[Mike]

Somewhere along the line an evil person introduced the notion that technical proficiency on your instrument and musical knowledge is important to create good pop music. I say: Tell it to Count Five! We love "Louie Louie" because it sounds like a bunch of drunken idiots having a good time. It's about FUN! :D :D I bet Brian Wilson didn't know what he was doing, he was just inspired and having fun. He did not go to GIT for 4 years! :D

[Paul L.]

Whoa, there, jligon. You say Sony reverse engineers their products? Please tell me the names of the companies whose products they copy.

In reality, Sony engineers are unrivaled. You have it completely backwards. Sony invents the stuff, and then other companies put out their versions after studying what Sony has done and buys licenses from Sony for the technology that they developed. That is why audiophile companies are just beginning to put out their SACD models.

Sony invented DSD years ago, at least 8 years ago, to be able to properly copy their priceless archives, recognizing that 16 bit/44.1 didn't cut it for their purposes.

Now it is true that Sony doesn't sell $20,000 CD players and so sometimes certain parts could be upgraded. That is where modifiers come in. And if you have access to a $20,000 CD player and examine what is in it, I would guess you'd find only a few hundred dollars more worth of parts than in the top Sony.

[jligon]

Originally posted by Gary

After all where is the weight in a Krell player? Metal construction? Heavy base?

I'd think that the wiring and electronics would not be much of a significant contributor to the weight?

Just a thought.......... or two!

I couldn't agree more with your Krell comment. Some of these things are built to resemble a Cadilac.
My comment was meant to be more an indication of the construction in general, not simply the physical weight.