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Steve Hoffman
06-21-2008, 08:01 PM
I've been a fan of American animated cartoons since I was three. In those days, TV stations here in LA had a lot of time to fill and they were always showing old cartoons from the 1930's. This is how I first saw BOSKO & BUDDY (Vitaphone), SCRAPPY (Columbia) and the Paramount cartoons like BETTY BOOP, POPEYE, etc.

They showed these old cartoons all the time, each and every day. CBS which actually bought the rights to Paul Terry's MIGHTY MOUSE, etc. only showed them once or twice a week while the local stations here in LA showed their ancient black and white cartoons every day for hours.

There was a guy, a really nice guy (that I last had a chat with at a Garbo screening at the Academy Theater a few years ago) who's name is Tom Hatten. He hosted a kiddie show here on KTLA every afternoon for years and he played Popeye cartoons. There were a few kids on the show and they would draw stuff from the "squiggles" that Tom would start their drawing pads with. At any rate, it was a very popular show. Ask anyone who grew up here back then, they watched POPEYE.

http://latvlegends.com/TomHatten/TOMHAT.htm

The one thing I remember from watching him is that he had a loyalty. Not to a cartoon character (POPEYE) but to a certain studio. The studio that made the ORIGINAL Popeye. He would always say (and I remember this well) that even though the opening credits for the Popeye cartoons were changed "for TV use", the name of the person who made the cartoons was MAX FLEISCHER. For years, he made sure that we kids knew that if it didn't say FLEISCHER on it (or didn't have the sliding ship doors at the start) it wasn't a "real" Popeye.

I loved those cartoons. Later (say when I was four or so) I realized that other cartoons that they showed on TV also had that unmistakable "look" and sound of Max Fleischer (Betty Boop, etc.) It's fair to say that after 1966 when TV went all color, most of these (if not all) of these great black and white cartoons VANISHED FROM THE TELEVISION SCREENS forever.

Us kids remembered though and when we grew up we looked in vain for books about the cartoons we loved. There were none, nada. Zilch. So, people of our generation (like my buddy Leonard Maltin) simply WROTE them. Here are the first three and every fan of animation should have these on the bookshelf:

CREATORS OF LIFE, A HISTORY OF ANIMATION by Donald Heraldson, 1975, Drake Publishers.

THE FLEISCHER STORY by Leslie Cabarga, 1976, Nostalgia Press.

OF MICE AND MAGIC by Leonard Maltin, 1980, McGraw Hill. (This is the American animation BIBLE!!!)

These books I devoured hungrily back then. Finally I could learn about these forgotten cartoons and who made them.

When I read Cabarga's THE FLEISCHER STORY back in the 1970's I realized with a shock that MAX FLEISCHER had been this guy's idol since childhood. I thought I was the only one. Guess not. A few years later I realized that Richard Fleischer (the director of Disney's "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea") was Max's son.

Richard Fleischer died a few years ago, quite an old man but before he did he had published by the University Press Of Kentucky a little memoir he had written about his father.

Please note that Richard was an intensely private person. That any book would be published about his obscure and long forgotten father at all was a miracle, especially one HE wrote. I think Richard found it hard to write about his dad's history, after all, what happened to Max (with Paramount) was quite painful to him and the entire family.

At any rate, I recommend this little book. Get the hardback while it's still available. It's full of little tidbits about Max that I love. Apparently in 1955 Disney called for a meeting with son Richard in regards to him directing the Jules Verne novel "20,000 Leagues Under The Sea" and Richard listened to the offer and told Walt: You know who I am, correct?"

Walt said "Yes, we know."

Richard said he'd have to call his father (Walt's biggest competitor in the 1930's) to ask his permission to do this. Loyalty. Walt understood. Richard called his dad and of course Max said "Sure, do the picture."

If he had said no, Richard would have passed on it (his big break in the movies). He loved his dad. And you will love this book.

"OUT OF THE INKWELL" by RICHARD FLEISCHER.

http://www.amazon.com/Out-Inkwell-Fleischer-Animation-Revolution/dp/0813123550/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214103287&sr=8-3

Oh, in the new Popeye (legit) DVD set is a piece of color film made by short subject producers Fairbanks & Carlisle (as part of the Popular Science series of color shorts (Distributed by Paramount) that shows the Fleischer Studios in Miami during production of Popeye's Aladdin and His Wonderful Lamp in 1939. This footage was totally unknown just 15 years ago. We first saw it in a screening room about a decade ago (a bunch of us animation nuts) and right at the end in glorious color "poof", there was Uncle Max. Much to my surprise my eyes filled with tears. It was so unexpected to see my idol like that. When the lights came on (the entire thing probably lasted 8 minutes) I realized that everyone in the screening room was wiping their eyes. Amazing.

At any rate, this footage is worth seeing. I have it on a Gulliver's Travels DVD as a little bonus (unauthorized, I'm sure). I love watching that 8 minutes of film. The entire studio was so obscure and Paramount did it's best to wipe it from human memory that we are happy to get even eight minutes of live footage. Try and see it.

indy mike
06-21-2008, 08:35 PM
You need to trot out and get yourself that just released Popeye Volume 2 dvd set from Warners - it's 2 discs of B&W (and Aladdin in blazing color) Popeye shorts from the Fleischer Studio. One of the bonus features is a nice history of Max and Dave and the Fleischer's rise and fall of their studio. There's a still shot of a reunion of Fleischer animators and Max hosted by Walt Disney - apparently things got worked out between the highly competitive studio heads and they enjoyed a pretty good relationship afterwards.

Steve Hoffman
06-21-2008, 08:44 PM
Mike,

That "meeting of cartoon giants" came about as a direct result of Richard directing "20,000 Leagues".

Walt said that they should all get together for lunch at the studio when Richard tactfully mentioned the possibility.

I would have loved to have been there for that.

indy mike
06-21-2008, 09:06 PM
Several Fleischer relatives are part of the bonus feature - it's a shame that Max and Dave never spoke to each other after the studio deal with Paramount collapsed.

Steve Hoffman
06-21-2008, 09:36 PM
Got to read this book to find out the inside skinny. Paramount is really the villain in this. I was quite surprised at the true REASON that the Fleischer's lost control.

Hamhead
06-22-2008, 12:43 AM
Got to read this book to find out the inside skinny. Paramount is really the villain in this. I was quite surprised at the true REASON that the Fleischer's lost control.

I always read that Paramount took over the studio and fired Max due to the Superman cartoons going way over budget. Columbia did something simular to UPA in the late 50's. I wish somebody would do a boxset of all the pre-code Betty Boop cartoons.

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 07:42 AM
No, nothing like that. Think of a different character..

jojopuppyfish
06-22-2008, 07:57 AM
I have "OF MICE AND MAGIC by Leonard Maltin" and there's cartoons in there I've never heard of or seen.

I was born in 1971....so its late 1970s cartoons and early 1980s that I grew up with.....the Hanna Barbara era.
Those Superman Fleischer shorts are amazing. Not sure why I've never seen them on TV.

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 08:08 AM
The initial TV prints of SUPERMAN were delivered in monochrome. I don't think color prints were struck until much later and then they were just two-color or unstable Eastman. I've seen a few ORIGINAL 35mm nitrate Fleischer SUPERMAN specials at screenings and the picture quality as well as the IB Technicolor look is awe-inspiring.

Regarding B&W, I think the younger generation really missed out when they took the black and white cartoons and shorts off the air. The black and white Warner Bros. cartoons from 1938-43 were really the funniest (Termite Terrace product) and of course the live-action Laurel & Hardy's, Little Rascals, etc. were so much fun to watch. Remember MGM's "The Passing Parade" with John Nesbitt? All vanished with color TV. Too bad.

Dan C
06-22-2008, 08:17 AM
Regarding B&W, I think the younger generation really missed out when they took the black and white cartoons and shorts off the air. The black and white Warner Bros. cartoons from 1938-43 were really the funniest (Termite Terrace product) and of course the live-action Laurel & Hardy's, Little Rascals, etc. were so much fun to watch. Remember MGM's "The Passing Parade" with John Nesbitt? All vanished with color TV. Too bad.

I do remember seeing some B&W Popeye cartoons on those indie LA stations when I was a kid in the late 70s (our cable company in El Paso carried them). I don't know if Tom Hatten was still on the air by then but they way you describe his show sounds familiar to me. Maybe he was still on Saturdays. :confused:

Even as a kid I knew those Fleischer cartoons were something special. I also always hated the later Famous Studio cartoons.

dan c

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 08:38 AM
Yeah, me too. Popeye lost his charm. No more funny muttering under his breath. No more interesting stories.

Ironic. Same animators, writers, voices, etc. What was missing? Max, Lou and Dave Fleischer.

indy mike
06-22-2008, 05:02 PM
Yeah, me too. Popeye lost his charm. No more funny muttering under his breath. No more interesting stories.

Ironic. Same animators, writers, voices, etc. What was missing? Max, Lou and Dave Fleischer.

That's pretty much the conclusion the documentary on Vol. 2 came to as well...

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 07:13 PM
Both sets are on their way to me. It will be fun..

JBStephens
06-22-2008, 07:35 PM
I WILL get that book. I believe the Fleischer studios were to cartoons what Ella Fitzgerald was to music, total masters of their craft. The Superman shorts were superb. They weren't merely cartoons or comic books running through a projector. The lighting, framing, editing, pace, the angles of the shots, everything, was first-rate film making. Some would dismiss cartoons as being true art, but they were.

And if you ever see Dave Hoffman in the credits, that's my uncle, which is another personal reason I love the Fleischer stuff. I only wish he'd seen it in his heart to send his relatives some cels. :)

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 07:55 PM
Dave Hoffman? He did some WB animation under Bob Clampett as well. I'm impressed.

-Alan
06-22-2008, 07:56 PM
I watched cartoons constantly in the early 1960s but it's strange how I don't remember the Superman cartoons at all. I watched the live action Adventures of Suiperman television show with George Reeves regularly but never saw the cartoon version.

Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU8JdKp5BtI&NR=1) is the first Fleischer Superman cartoon, found on Youtube.

JBStephens
06-22-2008, 08:33 PM
Dave Hoffman? He did some WB animation under Bob Clampett as well. I'm impressed.

Yeah, he split from the Fleischers because he didn't want to move to Florida. Can't say as I blame him.

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 08:58 PM
Yeah, he split from the Fleischers because he didn't want to move to Florida. Can't say as I blame him.

Well, I guess so, but he moved from 1600 Broadway (Times Square) all the way to Los Angeles instead. That's much farther!:)

wayneklein
06-22-2008, 09:14 PM
Thanks for the story. I watched the featurette on RIchard (maybe it was on "20,000 Leagues") and he struck me as an honorable and talented guy. It's interesting to watch the Superman cartoons and compare the first couple of them to the later ones that Dave directed. In the first couple things (such as airplanes, etc.) are kind of "rubbery" but they behave more like realistic items later (perhaps an influence from Disney and his quest for realism).

Steve Hoffman
06-22-2008, 11:41 PM
Remember, these animators could barely draw realistic figures only 5 years before (think of all the funny looking characters in Fleischer cartoons). Superman must have been a real bitch to work on. 10 minute cartoons that went double (sometimes triple) over budget. Paramount insisted they do them and then got hissy about it when they lost money.

If you can ever see a Fleischer Superman in 35mm on the big screen it's a real jaw dropping treat..

indy mike
06-23-2008, 06:43 AM
A few more Superman episodes on the little screen (these looks mighty clean and the soundtrack isn't muffled like many of the PD copies floating around - these might be restored ones from Warner):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oizfu3BuzPQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1yabnDOxnw

Sneaky Pete
06-23-2008, 08:06 AM
Remember, these animators could barely draw realistic figures only 5 years before (think of all the funny looking characters in Fleischer cartoons). Superman must have been a real bitch to work on. 10 minute cartoons that went double (sometimes triple) over budget. Paramount insisted they do them and then got hissy about it when they lost money.

If you can ever see a Fleischer Superman in 35mm on the big screen it's a real jaw dropping treat..

They invented rotoscoping, back in the out of the inwell days. They truly innovated things, that Disney cashed in on. I love the early work but Paramount took all the life out of the cartoons.

I think Paramount loaned them money to expand and move to Florida, then called in the loans when the Superman toons were over budget and the feature films also tanked. Once they tried to go Disney and they lost the gritty edge, they were done. The Flieschers are my animation heros.

I'll have to pick up the book. Thanks for the link.

indy mike
06-23-2008, 08:17 AM
They invented rotoscoping, back in the out of the inwell days. They truly innovated things, that Disney cashed in on. I love the early work but Paramount took all the life out of the cartoons.

I think Paramount loaned them money to expand and move to Florida, then called in the loans when the Superman toons were over budget and the feature films also tanked. Once they tried to go Disney and they lost the gritty edge, they were done. The Flieschers are my animation heros.

I'll have to pick up the book. Thanks for the link.

One of the interesting things noted in the documentary about the Fleischer cartoons was how the move to Florida had an effect on the look of the Popeye shorts. The New York made cartoons had a gritty/urban look and feel, while the Florida made cartoons had a brighter general look and approach.

Steve Hoffman
06-23-2008, 08:22 AM
I think Paramount loaned them money to expand and move to Florida, then called in the loans when the Superman toons were over budget and the feature films also tanked. Once they tried to go Disney and they lost the gritty edge, they were done. The Fleischers are my animation heroes.

I'll have to pick up the book. Thanks for the link.



There is another reason (the MAIN reason) Paramount tried to wipe the Fleischers from human memory and it really didn't have anything to do with the above problems. It had to do with Popeye and King Features. Sort of shocked me it was so underhanded. The book talks about this one nasty aspect of the destruction for the first time.

It's depressing. Max has been my hero for all my life. I could have biked over to the Motion Picture Country House to visit him back in 1970, I lived about two miles away from the hospital. I did it for Larry Fine and Bud Abbott. Never knew Max was there. I would have visited him for sure.

JBStephens
06-23-2008, 08:48 AM
Well, I guess so, but he moved from 1600 Broadway (Times Square) all the way to Los Angeles instead. That's much farther!:)

Yeah, but without the hurricanes. :)

Dude, I didn't know you had lived so near Larry Fine at one time. His work was just as underappreciated (at the time, it's appreciated NOW) as was the Fleischer's. Thank goodness we have the technology now to keep these guys at least alive, if not in the public eye.

Gulliver's Travels was boring. In it's own way it was good, certainly a lot of work went into it, but it just wasn't a very good story to turn into a feature. People were expecting Disney and didn't get it, so it tanked. Let's face it, "Gabby" is annoying.