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Sput
07-15-2007, 12:29 PM
Why? Seriously, is one supposedly better or more capable than the others.
What is the lowdown on this?

ROLO46
07-15-2007, 12:37 PM
The lower the impedence the more difficulty of driving

2 ohms difficult

1 ohm impossible

0 ohms small fire in Krell.

Doug Sclar
07-15-2007, 12:45 PM
Why? Seriously, is one supposedly better or more capable than the others.
What is the lowdown on this?

Lots of reasons to have various impedance speakers. For example, if you want to hook up two woofers in a box, and they're 16 ohm, you can hook them up in parallel and end up with 8 ohms.

4 ohm speakers will draw more current from an amplifier than will an 8 ohm speaker.

By having lots of different impedance speakers to work with, a designer has much more flexibility.

As far as complete speakers systems, I can't remember too many that were 16 ohms. As for why there are speakers that are 4 ohms, it may have to do with the individual components used internally.

Now Altec made a 1/2 ohm speaker once. Very good reason for it as well. It was for a car stereo. With only 12 volts to work with, there is only so much power available from an amplifier unless you go into switching power supplies.

By designing a speaker with a very low impedance, they were able to get a lot more power from a 12 volt amplifier than would be otherwise possible. Btw, this speaker was a subwoofer.

Power is equal to the voltage squared divided by the impedance. If want more power out of a given amp, you either have to increase the rail voltages of the amplifier or lower the impedance of the load. Of course, the output devices must be able to handle the additional power or they'll become the weak link and blow.

The impedance of a speaker should have no bearing on the sound quality it will produce, unless it causes an amplifer to go into distress.

Taurus
07-15-2007, 02:27 PM
Many vintage Infinity and Acoustic Research speakers (among others) are common examples of speakers with low impedance ratings, sometimes very low.

Since their woofers used the acoustic-suspension system (i.e. sealed enclosure) they tended to be power sponges vs. speakers using a bass reflex system. Advents were also sealed but they didn't use quite as much power since they weren't designed to go as low as the the higher-performance Infinitys/AR models.......and the lower you go, the more power you need to get that woofer cone moving.

To get that subwoofer-like bass, the engineer allowed the the larger models, especially those from Infinity (http://www.infinity-classics.de/infinity/models/Reference-series-1+b-2-10+A+B-1981-86/index-Reference.htm) and AR's ultimate model the AR9, to dip into the area below 2 ohms which meant you needed to use one heck of a beefy amplifier to hear their full potential.

One mid-fi company still believes in acoustic-suspension: NHT. Not surprising since their founder used to work for.....Acoustic Research! Most of their offerings are sealed, though their very nice Classic 4 floorstander (http://nhthifi.com/2006/s-s-classicfour.html) has its 10" woofer operating in a ported enclosure. It makes it all the way down to 27Hz - wow. Using a sealed system to reach that same number would most probably drive its rather low 86dB efficiency rating even lower.*

16 ohm speakers were popular when tube gear ruled, since a tube amp is a voltage-sensitive device and so develops more power when presented with a high resistance speaker (in contrast SS amps are current-sensitive).

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* off-topic rambling (hope that's O.K.): I always wondered if this fussy - and expensive - characteristic is what helped contribute to the near demise of the acoustic-suspension system. While to my ears, sealed speakers almost always have a smoother and richer quality than similar-sized bass reflex speakers, having to blow $$$ on a 100+lb SS power amp to properly power the larger models wasn't exactly a positive selling point. And even though Advents, EPIs and other less pricey loudspeakers didn't require such large amps to sound good, starting in the 80s there seemed to be an emphasis on how loud a system could get, rather than its sound *quality* :(, which I think also helped add to the unpopularity of sealed speakers.

To use an extreme contrast to that Classic 4, Cerwin-Vega's CLS10 (http://cerwin-vega.com/CLS10.php), also using a ported 10" driver, has an efficiency rating of 90dB and makes it down to only 38Hz....but they also require less than half as much power to do this (every 3dB increase results in half the power needed for the same volume level). Yes I like CVs :shh: for what they are and think they have their place alongside the more staid speakers of the audio world, and I'm sooooo tired of seeing anemic little cube + subwoofer systems being touted as the best way to hear LZ, The Clash, Tool etc etc. and this toned-down CLS series has much less of the "party boy" sizzle other CVs are known for. And AFAIK, Cerwin is the only company left building traditional floorstanders like these for us old R&R geezers. :D

* I just noticed CV finally altered these speakers' styling slightly, and for the better: the previous version had a rather unlikable "grimace" because the bottom lip of the tweeter horn tilted downwards giving the impression of a scowling robot - now it's perfectly rectangular (this isn't a true compression horn system, since it uses a conventional soft-dome tweeter supplied by Vifa, to produce a more mellow personality vs. the typical metal diaphragm)

jeff mai
07-15-2007, 03:06 PM
It's all to do with Ohm's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm's_law) and Electric Power (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power). As mentioned above, in situations where the output voltage is limited (usually due to the supply voltage - like a 12V car battery) more power can be obtained through a low impedance because the output voltage cannot (typically) exceed the available power supply voltage. This is why lower impedances are common in car systems.

This is also why high impedance headphones are a lot better with a dedicated amplifier designed for the task. A typical headphone output for low impedance phones can't supply enough output voltage to the high impedance phones and so above a certain volume there is clipping.

Doug Sclar
07-15-2007, 03:29 PM
I can think of another huge advantage of high impedance speakers. They can use thinner speaker wire or run longer runs with the same size wire. I take advantage of this all the time, but usually my high impedance loads are networks of series and parallel speakers and not in audiophile applications.

But let's assume you had two pairs of 8 ohm speakers to power from a distant amplifier. If you hook them up in series instead of parallel, your loads will be 16 ohms instead of 4 ohms. This means the resistance in the speaker wire will be much less significant.

ROLO46
07-16-2007, 01:30 AM
No body went bust offering speakers that honked in the bottom!

IB designs are better but difficult to drive.

Modern amps can drive low imp speakers Bryston Krell etc, but at a cost.

But AV receivers will struggle.

Hi impedence speakers were volts driven not current.

Great for classic valve amps.

Im always looking for 15 ohmn BC1's or LS3/5a 's.

Roger