Portable Ogg Player Coming Soon!

[Joe D.]

Cool. :thumbsup:

OGG Site (http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/portables.html)

[RetroSmith]

AAAHHHH....is that really needed? I mean, MP3s are the standard. With EAC (free) you can make a GREAT sounding MP3 and rip a whole CDs worth with no effort.

Why mess with things like OGG? (dont tell em the quality is better, my MP3s sound identical to the Cd) And a PORTABLE player?
Geez

[metalbob]

Originally posted by mikey5967
AAAHHHH....is that really needed? I mean, MP3s are the standard. With EAC (free) you can make a GREAT sounding MP3 and rip a whole CDs worth with no effort.

Why mess with things like OGG? (dont tell em the quality is better, my MP3s sound identical to the Cd) And a PORTABLE player?
Geez

As far as I know, OGG is totally open-source, so no licensing fees have to be paid to the creators of MP3, Liquid Audio, Real Audio etc. I guess that kids felt that if companies don't like all this MP3 stuff, we'll just create our own. I guarantee this compression format was created by a kid that was about 18.

[Sckott]

...and a lossy one at that. Wow, do I sound like an audio snob, or what?

OGG seems to fair better than MP3, but it is still a lossy format that does have its problems. My suggestion is if you're going for that sorta thing, MP3 uses less real estate, and works with (already) 200 or so portable audio products.

The idea screams, "Been there, done that". I don't think Mp3 is horribly bad for portable, besides. I wouldn't call a walkman something serious in an analytical sense.

[Grant]

I did my own comparisons between mp3, Ogg Vorbis, and Windows Media, and mp3 won. The type was 128kbps, constant bitrate.

Ogg seemed to discard ambient information or destroy natural decay. Same with WMA. mp3 may sound compressed, but it sounded the most natural of the three to my ears.

I used Sound Forge 6.0 for my tests. I also found that I don't like mp3PRO. It seemed to thin out the sound.

A higher-bit file seems to work better in all cases. High-bit mp3 wins for me.

I have no use for Ogg because I don't know anyone who uses it, and many people who don't use SF don't have anything that supports it.

[RetroSmith]

Yea. I make 320KB Mp3s with EAC and they are just about the same as the Cd. There is a very small reduction of the "air" of the sound but thats about it. I'm in the process of archiving my entire Cd collection (700+) to an Audio Server to give me faster and easier access to it. I'll be able to whip up custom CDs in a flash, as everything, the songs, the programs , the burner, ect are all on the same device. The Server is also networked to the Net so that I can download and send people anything from my collection with ease.

I wouldnt even think of using OGG for this. As has been mentioned, its a "lone wolf", nobody uses it, and it doesnt sound good.

[metalbob]

The horrible thing is that I heard a kid that was around 18-20 yrs old that was playing a mix CD he made by ripping his CDs (or so he claimed) with Windows Media and he couldn't hear the tinkling compression artifacts I kept hearing. He "kind of" heard it after I pointed it out. This was being played on a regular stereo, not a minisystem or boombox.

These kids don't realize what this stuff really sounds like when they listen to these MP3s on units that have flashing neon lights on the front. Even then, I don't think they hear it on REGULAR stereos.

[Michael]

Interesting...They keep a comin those formats don't they?

[Joe D.]

I should have titled this post in another way, my mistake.

I thought the device was interesting because of the built-in FM transmitter, recording capabilites...etc.

I didn't mean for this thread to turn into a MP3 vs Ogg debate. :rolleyes:

Look past the Ogg thing and tell me what you think of the unit itself.

Neuros (http://neurosaudio.com/)

Joe