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SamS
06-13-2007, 08:10 PM
I have always been intrigued about these speakers ever since I saw this review in Positive Feedback:

http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue19/sonyssk70ed.htm

Well, I stumbled across on the 'bay, and decided "what the heck" and bought them to try out.

Any hear heard or own this or it's big brother the SS-KE90D?

bru87tr
06-14-2007, 04:24 AM
I wish I could find a pair. they are very popular from all I have read online.

let us know what they sound like.

SamS
06-14-2007, 04:13 PM
Hmmm.. suprised no one else has these or has heard them.

I hope they sound good. If they do, it will further reinforce my opinion that you can assemble a good used hifi for well under $1K.

If a gort sees this, and is able to change the title, I mistyped the speaker model, should be SS-K70ED.

soundboy
06-14-2007, 04:22 PM
I hope they sound good. If they do, it will further reinforce my opinion that you can assemble a good used hifi for well under $1K.

You can easily assemble a NEW 2 channel audio system for under $1K (mine is just $750.00)

As for the Sony speakers, the bookshelf version was given a review (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43085&highlight=sony) at Club Polk (Audio) after it was reduced to $60.00/pair. An updated version of these speakers were released when Sony launched a new 2 channel stereo integrated amp using digital amps and a new CD/SACD player.....overseas, of course.

BTW, I wish I picked up a pair when it was being cleared out by Circuit City.

bru87tr
06-14-2007, 04:42 PM
me too....

from what is flaoting around about these speakers for a while, they were a steal.

SamS
06-14-2007, 05:03 PM
You can easily assemble a NEW 2 channel audio system for under $1K (mine is just $750.00)

True! :agree:


As for the Sony speakers, the bookshelf version was given a review (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43085&highlight=sony) at Club Polk (Audio) after it was reduced to $60.00/pair. An updated version of these speakers were released when Sony launched a new 2 channel stereo integrated amp using digital amps and a new CD/SACD player.....overseas, of course.

BTW, I wish I picked up a pair when it was being cleared out by Circuit City.

Why does Japan get all the good stuff :confused:

me too....

from what is flaoting around about these speakers for a while, they were a steal.

We'll know next week!

Davo55
06-15-2007, 12:15 AM
I WAS able to get a pair of the larger bookshelves (SS-K30ED) during the Circuit City closeout. Initially, they were unremarkable, but after awhile they really opened up (or did my ears open up - I'm still not sure how that works).

In any event, my positive audio experience prompted me to search for a pair of floorstanders and after about six months, I found some SS-K90ED's in LA and made the trip to pick them up. I have not looked back - they have replaced my Klipsch Reference speakers as my mains.

I think that since they were Sony branded speakers and had a relatively high MSRP, they were overlooked initially. Now, some (myself included) have found them quite pleasing and they have kind of a cult following.

They seem to get snapped up quickly, but if you can find them; the SS-K30ED, the SS-K70ED (with one woofer) or the SS-K90ED (with two woofers) are definitely worth a listen.

David

Taurus
06-15-2007, 12:43 AM
Don't know if this will help much since it was just an informal in-store audition, but: @3 years ago when these first appeared in the store, I specifically headed back up to CC a couple days later after first seeing them because I wanted to see what a "good" Sony speaker sounded like. IIRC they were driven by an Onkyo receiver and the source was a Sony dvd player. CD was Thunderball's Scorpio Rising (http://www.amazon.com/Scorpio-Rising-Thunderball/dp/B00005LMR3/ref=sr_1_1/002-9342162-6232009?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1181893153&sr=1-1), which is a bit bright via my Boston Acoustics CR9s, but not harsh or overcompressed. What I heard: despite their aluminum tweeter, my impression of this model's sonic personality was that it was warm-ish and overall had a smooooooth sound. I actually liked them quite a bit but to be perfectly frank, they still wouldn't be a speaker I would own myself because of their (to me) rather tame sound, but if someone gave them to me, I could easily get used to them. :)

Davo55
06-15-2007, 01:27 AM
Taurus,

Just a small correction - the tweeters are carbon dome, not aluminum. But, I can see how you made the mistake since they have a stated frequency response all the way out to 70 kHz!

Even though we cannot hear anywhere near that upper range, you might expect that they might be a tad bright. But, somehow Sony managed to blend (via crossover?) with the mid and woofers such that it does have that smooth range you heard.

I agree with you - they are easy to get used to. They are not particularly critical nor are they especially flat. They present rather faithfully and lots of people like that.

David

motorcitydave
06-15-2007, 02:35 AM
Don't underestimate the Celestion F38's...yes, I own them, but they are very nicely priced as well.

SamS
06-15-2007, 05:04 AM
Welcome Davo55 :wave:

Thanks for the reports Taurus and Davo55. Now I'm getting really anxious to hear these :goodie:

Taurus
06-15-2007, 10:02 AM
Taurus,

Just a small correction - the tweeters are carbon dome, not aluminum. But, I can see how you made the mistake since they have a stated frequency response all the way out to 70 kHz!Thanks for the correction (maybe my mind's being affected by all these Paris Hilton news reports I keep getting exposed to! :D).

Dan
06-15-2007, 04:02 PM
I remember seeing some of the smaller versions of those speakers and thought they looked cheesy or that they were trying to copy those KRK studio monitors.

I wonder if the newer ones that have Kevlar cones are any good?

SamS
06-19-2007, 09:07 PM
Alrighty. Got these puppies hooked up and pumping! I let them break in for 10 minutes or so (I know, I know, bad audiophile ;) ), before I sat down to listen.

Pretty impressive upon first listen. I should admit, I have them hooked up in the main system, driven by the big McIntosh MC402. Not a fair match, as the Mac pushes 400 watts and is substantially more expensive than the speakers. However, it was a 'best case' scenario that these speakers could face, and I could eliminate any weak links in the system chain that would affect their performance.

I was able to A/B against my B&W Nautilus 802s. Obviously not a fair match up, but I can use my 802s as a good reference or control factor. Versus the 802s, the Sonys didn't sound ridiculously out-leagued. Yes, the sound was different, but at lower volumes the tone wasn't extraordinarily mismatched. Which is a good thing if you're expecting your speakers to not color the music too much and just reproduce the source.

The Sonys had a muted top end, or a tweeter that didn't stand out or call attention to itself. The midrange was sometimes "soft", certainly not shouty and didn't convey much of the 'cupped hands' effect. They are a 3 way design, and can deliver a suprising amount of bass and punch. I don't think they put out much below 50Hz, but certainly have enough kick for rock recordings if you can place them properly. I never felt the need for a sub, but in reality, I rarely do.

So, in what ways were they worse than the N802s? Well, when pushed hard, they had a tendancy to smear and distort the midrange, especially vocals. During loud passages, vocals would get a bit hard sounding. But remember, this is at pretty substantial volumes and compared against the world class (IMO) midrange unit of the B&W Nautilus. The 802s had much better control over the bass and went deeper. We're comparing a 6 1/2" woofer vs. dual 8" in a much bigger enclosure, so no big suprise. Low level detail was much easier to distinguish with the 802s. The buzzing of the guitar amps during quiet passages in Wilco's "At Least That's What You Said" was audible but indistinct with the Sonys, there was no mistaking it with the 802s. The B&Ws get virtually everything right, the Sonys do many things decent, but most importantly get the overall "tone" of things down pat. That last 10% is the hardest to nail, and is what motivates audio nuts to spend thousands to obtain ;)

The biggest compliment I can pay them is that the Sonys sounded almost just like the B&W DM603 S3 (http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/805bw/). While I don't own that particular B&W, I have listened to it dozens of times. It has similar strengths and weaknesses. The B&W retails for $1000, however. Actually, I think the Sony is a more handsome speaker, with a tapered cabinet that makes it appear less bulky that traditional floorstanders.

A better comparision would have been my B&W Nautilus 804s vs. the Sonys, but logistics prevented it. The cabinet design, shape and height are almost identical between the Sonys and the $3500 804s. Of course, the 804s have a much nicer finish, more sophisticated design and sound better, especially at higher volumes.

So, my overall conclusion is that the Sonys are a winner. I paid a bit over $200 with shipping, which is what they were last clearanced for when available a couple of years ago. The pair I bought was advertised as new but open, and didn't appear to have ever been hooked up.

While I was slightly dissapointed that their performance at higher volumes was less than stellar, I found them to be fit for a wide range of duty, very stylish, and a real bargain at the price paid. A full range, smooth-sounding, good looking speaker at two bills is fairly uncommon in my experience. I haven't decided if they'll end up in my second, or third system. Gotta figure out which receiver will pair up best with them.

Keep your eyes open for a pair to experience some cheap fun :cool:

soundboy
06-20-2007, 12:20 AM
Thanks for the review, Sam. They looked and sounded like winners when I last saw them at Circuit City.

Russ
06-20-2007, 12:27 AM
Thanks Sam, nice review. I have a pair of Carver 400 "cubes" that I think would go good with these. It's too bad they don't have a wood finish...for $200.00 it still seems like a good deal.

bru87tr
06-20-2007, 04:46 AM
excellent review. sound like a speaker for my budget.

I think I would find the cash if I could find a cheap pair of the towers.

dont think you can go wrong for the price.


I wonder how they would compare to my Paradigm Monitor 7's ?

motorcitydave
06-20-2007, 04:47 AM
I'd like to compare these to my Celestions...now that would be interesting.

John Carsell
06-20-2007, 05:17 AM
If a gort sees this, and is able to change the title, I mistyped the speaker model, should be SS-K70ED.

Gotcha' covered. :)

mdork
12-19-2007, 01:14 PM
Thread resurrection! I didn't think there would be anyone else with these. I have the K90s as well and have really been impressed by them. I'm not surprised that most people thumb their nose at them since Sony has put out some horrendous speakers but these are actually very versatile speakers...doing well with all styles of music I've thrown at them as well as HT. I am passively looking for something new just to keep life interesting and may have to downsize in the future but am hoping to hold on to these...

Here are a few pics:

http://aycu27.webshots.com/image/38666/2004547676546813861_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004547676546813861)

http://aycu30.webshots.com/image/36669/2004504905781521839_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2004504905781521839)

SamS
12-19-2007, 01:20 PM
^^^ Cool! Welcome aboard mdork :wave:

I just moved my K70EDs to the bedroom, maybe I will take a picture tonight.

mdork
12-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Nice! What did you replace them with? I'd like to find something with a similar sound with perhaps a touch more detail. I liked the Energy RC10 when I looked at it and am considering looking at their towers as well. I just bought some Dana 630s as a gift and while I appreciate their detail theyre a bit too bright for my tastes.

bru87tr
12-19-2007, 01:59 PM
nice speakers. wish I jumped on them when I was looking. I remember when these were hot.

currently running some Paradigm Monitor 7 towers (V.3) very nice and go low but a bit harsh on upper.

wish I could hear a pair of the sonys.

SamS
12-19-2007, 02:22 PM
Nice! What did you replace them with? I'd like to find something with a similar sound with perhaps a touch more detail. I liked the Energy RC10 when I looked at it and am considering looking at their towers as well. I just bought some Dana 630s as a gift and while I appreciate their detail theyre a bit too bright for my tastes.

Well, I did a bit of speaker switcheroo, and moved my Klipsch Cornwalls out of the bedroom (wife thought they were ridiculous, I'd have to agree) and into my office. So the Sony's are in the bedroom now, mainly for TV or background music listening.

nice speakers. wish I jumped on them when I was looking. I remember when these were hot.

currently running some Paradigm Monitor 7 towers (V.3) very nice and go low but a bit harsh on upper.

wish I could hear a pair of the sonys.

They're not the end-all-be-all, but for a few hundred dollars, they certainly can get the job done. As I've moved a bit of gear around the past month, I can absolutely verify that what sounds good in one room with certain amps doesn't always sound the same with others. That may sound like common sense, but can certainly account for people that listen to the same speakers and walk away with opposite views.

bru87tr
12-19-2007, 02:42 PM
aint that the truth!!!

I refurbished a pair of Bose 601's. they didnt sound very good in my room. my mom was interested in them along with a 6065 vintage sony amp I had. she had a much bigger "great" room. I was blown away how great they sounded in her room at her house. its a very large room and the speakers really opened up and produced alot of bass (dual 8"). for an hour my jaw was on the floor cause they sounded so bad at my house.